Match Trigger for USP45f is *horrible!!!*

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J.T.King

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Or am I just being unrealistic??? I just spent $150 on a match trigger (plus instalation) in order to smooth out the action (especially for double action) and to lightne the pull a little while giving less over travel.

I was given to understand that this is EXACTLY what the match trigger is supposed to do. Apparently I may be wrong. Yes, it is a *little* ligter. Yes, the over travel is *slightly* less, but the damn double action trigger is as gritty and rubby as ever! If you try and pull the trigger slow, it continually catches and rubs in jerky motions. Very disappointing.

I left it at the gun shop with a word for the gunsmith to call me at work tomorrow to tel me what went wrong. I am going to be highly pissed off if I get the word that the "mathc" trigger never helps the smothness of the aciton whereas what I really needed was an action job for $75 less!!!

Whew! I am a bit hot, eh? I mean, I pay $650 for the damn pistol anyhow, and it has the WORST double action trigger I have ever owned and the match trigger doesnt even seem to help.

what should I do? What should I say?

Thanks!

J.T.
 
Sell it and buy a SIG. ;)

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Whatever you do, let us know what you find out. I am looking at the USP .40, but am concerned with the trigger pull of the DA. I thought the Match trigger would be the fix if I got the gun and hated the trigger pull, but from what are saying that isn't the case. Does anyone else have any experience or suggestions?
Thanks,
Kiffster
 
JT - the HK is a fighting gun... Its made for combat.
I am afraid that if you really want that kinda trigger - you need a 1911.
 
Hmmm... The HK can be carried condition one and you're bitching about the DA pull?

What, are you a cop or something who's not allowed to carry cocked and locked?

I can understand Rob's concerns, as his department is restricting him to DAO, but I just don't understand anyone without such outside constraints complaining about the trigger.

You want to fix it? Put the safety on, and cock the damn thing. You can send me the $150 you're so desperate to spend...
 
Sounds like something's wrong here. A genuine HK match trigger is $96 at full retail, so if you paid $150 it either wasn't HK or you wuz robbed. I have the HK match trigger in my USP-Tactical and it's great, although I admit I don't shoot much DA. DA should smooth up after a few hundred rounds anyway, but if the trigger isn't already substantially better than the stock USP trigger, you have every reason to cudgel the gunjones who put it in. What you've described ain't right.
 
Morgan,

Gee, tell us how you really feel. Poor guy is feeling ripped and you crap on him? Sheesh.

J.T. King,

You're right to be upset that after spending over $600 on a pistol it doesn't meet your specs. I would ask, did you fire one before buying? You might considering having the trigger tuned by an expert HK man.



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I have a stock USP45F and I agree that the DA pull is not the smoothest. However in terms of what it's to be used for, a quick reaction close-in shot less than 7 yds or so it is adequate. I also have a stock USP40C. For the 1st 1500 rounds or so I routinely practiced the draw and fire so that roughly one out of every five rounds fired was fired DA. My 40C now has almost 5K rounds through it and the DA pull is very smooth to the point that over half the time I can put the 1st round into the black of a 50ft target that's 25 yds away. My USP45 is smoother than when I first got it and I expect the USP9F I just got will get smoother after a 1K rounds or so as well. I don't use any of these for gallery match shooting where I need the crispest, cleanest breaking trigger. I agree with George that 1911s fill that need.

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Tecolote - perhaps that came out harsher than I intended, as I meant not to crap on anyone. I do understand the desire to improve, but I honestly don't understand why those who bag on the USP's DA trigger bother with it, when the option of condition one is available.

Am I missing something, or are we making this unnecessarily complicated?

JT, can you illuminate me? Why don't you just go cocked and locked?
 
Cock it, lock it and shoot it the way God intended it to be shot! Even when I'm carrying a SIG, if I've got a reason to have it drawn, but don't need it RIGHT NOW, I will cock it to have that single action edge and decock before reholstering. The only time I would shoot it in DA, other than for requal constraints, is when I'm firing on the draw.
 
I've got the Tactical which has the match trigger. The pull is smoothe in DA and crisp and clean in SA. Accuracy is also excellent. I would wait and see what the gunsmith says.
 
Hey guys! Thanks for the replies....

Ok.. In order:

blades67: I almost bought a Sig. Very close call. I will buy a sig next and I already own a P230. But this gun is for remote camping and jeeping in a CJ (very dusty) so I was looking for a very durable gun.

Kifster: I dont think that the match trigger does anything for how long the trigger pull is. It is a lighter trigger and supposedly smoother, not that you could get that by me. It is a nice trigger for the weight but its still a long pull.

David Roberson: no, the trigger was 96$ + tax and $45 to have the HK licensed gunsmith put it in. I understand that I could have sent it to HK for free, but I really wanted to do what I just did... bitch about it if I hated it and have them work on it. Thank god I did.

Morgan, pojim: If I wanted a 1911, I would hae bought one! :) I am not a fan of "cocked and locked" even though I used a 1911 in the army for 4 years. Its just not my gun. I WANT a DA/SA gun as that is what I have shot the most of and what I am hapy with. BTW, this is NOT my first DA handgun y any means. I have had Beretta 92f, Ruger P94DA, Sig P23o and fired Sig P220, Glock30, Berretta .380 (cant remember the model) and without a doubt this is the WORST DA trigger. I am not looking for competition trigger here, just a smooth (even if long and a little stiff), even pull. That is in no way too much to ask for an expensive gun like this.

Mikie:
I have a feeling that its NIB condition is part of the problem. I have a whopping 200rnds put through it so far. I am hopeful that it will continue to smooth out.

WHAT THE GUNSMITH SAID
They took it apart and said that there is some internal part (insert technical part name here) that was a little rough and could be causing the trigger to pull gritty. He said that they filed and polished it and that the action is far smoother now. He also said that it is a part that often wears with use and that it should continue to get better.

Hopefully he is right. I will pick it up tomorrow.

BTW, that quick of a response is EXACTLY why I ponied up the extra $45 to have a local gunsmith install this trigger. I gave them the gun on Monday and now its Wednesday and its already ready to be picked up even though I had to return it on tuesday.

Could that ever happen sending it to HK? I dont think so! ;)

Thanks again guys and I will keep you updated.

J.T.
 
OK! I got the pistol back today....

Still gritty and very "catchy" throughout the DA trigger pull. So, I thought, maybe I am just being unrealistic...

So I asked to take a NIB USP out of the case and try it A-B with mine. Guess what! The NIB pistol had NO GRITTINESS!!!!

I told the worker that it was EXACTLY what I wanted mine to feel like. He said "I dont feel any difference. Besides, the first shot is just a throwaway in a DA gun anyhow"

What an ass. So I asked to see the gunsmith. When he came out and I had him try their own NIB USP, surprise, surprise, he noticed right away. He wasnt happy with it, but he did say he would tear it down and reexamine it. He said that he thought it was something to do with the internal safety lock mechanism rubbing on the action.

If that is so.... Then a word to all of you USP buyers. Double Check your gun extra carefully for smooth trigger aciton! Especially with these new internal safety lock.

Well... I'll call them on Monday and see.

J.T
 
If you think that H&K DA blows, try firing a VP-70(z) :p

[This message has been edited by PVerdieck (edited April 07, 2000).]
 
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