Massachusetts - Line in the sand, or more muttering?
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buckskinner
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Coinneach,
More info please. Do I understand you: No more new handgun sales at all to any citizen in Mass.?!
Could you give me any links etc?
I am Flabbergasted! Disgusted!
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Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason? For if it doth prosper, none dare call it treason." - John Barrington
More info please. Do I understand you: No more new handgun sales at all to any citizen in Mass.?!
Could you give me any links etc?
I am Flabbergasted! Disgusted!
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Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason? For if it doth prosper, none dare call it treason." - John Barrington
The link: http://www.ago.state.ma.us/condefault.asp#gunregs
My analysis, sent to my gf:
Handgun-purveyors (a person who sells 5 or more handguns in one year) must:
* provide a specific written safety warning to customers;
* explain to retail customers how to safely load, unload, and store the handgun; show how to operate all safety devices; and note the
absence, if any, of a load indicator, a magazine safety disconnect, or an internal safety; and
* for handguns with barrels shorter than three inches, disclose to all customers, in writing with specific test data, the accuracy limitations of the weapon.
* Does the handgun have a tamper resistant serial number (Section 16.03)?
No currently-manufactured gun has a hidden serial number.
* Does the handgun meet the Make and Model Performance Requirements under the regulations (Section 16.04)?
According to the regs, all handguns must be made entirely of steel. Berettas (aluminum), Glocks (polymer), the Sig Pro series (polymer), and the Taurus Titanium series are illegal.
* Is the handgun prone to repeated firing based on a single pull of the trigger, prone to explosion during firing, or prone to accidental discharge as defined in the Attorney General's regulations (Section 16.04(2))?
Note that last phrase. If a gun doubles (fires twice with one pull, which some very old Colt .45s can do) or kaBooms (which Glock .40s can do with very hot loads), all guns of that make and model are banned forever, subject to the AG's discretion.
* Is the handgun being sold with a lock approved by the Colonel of the State Police, as required by G.L. 140, Section 131K (Section 16.05(1))?
One man gets to determine what constitutes an "approved" lock. How many locks do you think will meet the requirements?
* Does the handgun have built-in childproofing protection (Section 16.05(2))?
Defined as a 10-pound trigger pull (the pull on your revolver is about 2 pounds), too big for an "average" 5-year-old's hands, an internal hammer disabling mechanism, AND other stuff. No gun meets these requirements.
* If the handgun is a semiautomatic pistol, does it have either a load indicator or a magazine safety disconnect (Section 16.05(3))?
Loaded-chamber indicators are only offered on a few pistols, and they can lead to people assuming they're always right (if the indicator is stuck in the "empty" position, some dumbass is gonna think a loaded gun is empty and kill his kid accidentally). Mag disconnects, which prevent the trigger from being pulled if the magazine is not inserted, are extremely unpopular and have gotten people killed in gunfights.
Now, read the regs and find me a gun that meets those requirements. Ain't none.
(where th' hell is that puking smiley?)
My analysis, sent to my gf:
Handgun-purveyors (a person who sells 5 or more handguns in one year) must:
* provide a specific written safety warning to customers;
* explain to retail customers how to safely load, unload, and store the handgun; show how to operate all safety devices; and note the
absence, if any, of a load indicator, a magazine safety disconnect, or an internal safety; and
* for handguns with barrels shorter than three inches, disclose to all customers, in writing with specific test data, the accuracy limitations of the weapon.
* Does the handgun have a tamper resistant serial number (Section 16.03)?
No currently-manufactured gun has a hidden serial number.
* Does the handgun meet the Make and Model Performance Requirements under the regulations (Section 16.04)?
According to the regs, all handguns must be made entirely of steel. Berettas (aluminum), Glocks (polymer), the Sig Pro series (polymer), and the Taurus Titanium series are illegal.
* Is the handgun prone to repeated firing based on a single pull of the trigger, prone to explosion during firing, or prone to accidental discharge as defined in the Attorney General's regulations (Section 16.04(2))?
Note that last phrase. If a gun doubles (fires twice with one pull, which some very old Colt .45s can do) or kaBooms (which Glock .40s can do with very hot loads), all guns of that make and model are banned forever, subject to the AG's discretion.
* Is the handgun being sold with a lock approved by the Colonel of the State Police, as required by G.L. 140, Section 131K (Section 16.05(1))?
One man gets to determine what constitutes an "approved" lock. How many locks do you think will meet the requirements?
* Does the handgun have built-in childproofing protection (Section 16.05(2))?
Defined as a 10-pound trigger pull (the pull on your revolver is about 2 pounds), too big for an "average" 5-year-old's hands, an internal hammer disabling mechanism, AND other stuff. No gun meets these requirements.
* If the handgun is a semiautomatic pistol, does it have either a load indicator or a magazine safety disconnect (Section 16.05(3))?
Loaded-chamber indicators are only offered on a few pistols, and they can lead to people assuming they're always right (if the indicator is stuck in the "empty" position, some dumbass is gonna think a loaded gun is empty and kill his kid accidentally). Mag disconnects, which prevent the trigger from being pulled if the magazine is not inserted, are extremely unpopular and have gotten people killed in gunfights.
Now, read the regs and find me a gun that meets those requirements. Ain't none.
(where th' hell is that puking smiley?)
In short, the new "safety rules" make all handguns illegal to sell. They must have internal, invisible serial numbers, seen only under UV light. They must be childproof a la 10 pound trigger pull minimum, too big to fit a kid's hand, and must incorporate a mechanical device that must be operated _at the same time the trigger is pulled_ for the gun to fire. All pistols must first be dropped a minimum of 14 times onto a concrete floor from a minimum of 40 inches, loaded and cocked, to prove they are "safe."
All new pistols must have at least 600 rounds fired before sale to prove they are "safe." If it jams, the pistol is automatically illegal to sell. It goes on and on.
The idiot AG did not think this through. All gun shops in the state are being cleaned out by nervous customers. At a minimum, this new law will add -- get ready -- an additional
900,000 more hand guns on the streets of Massachusetts.
We in MA don't know what to do. The situation is simple: the gun grabbers are determined -- nation wide -- to end all gun ownership through endless litigation that bankrupts their opponents. Wiht OUR tax money. That's what really hurts.
Guess what? Thirty four other state AGs are already drafting similar laws.
Coming soon to your state ...
woodit
All new pistols must have at least 600 rounds fired before sale to prove they are "safe." If it jams, the pistol is automatically illegal to sell. It goes on and on.
The idiot AG did not think this through. All gun shops in the state are being cleaned out by nervous customers. At a minimum, this new law will add -- get ready -- an additional
900,000 more hand guns on the streets of Massachusetts.
We in MA don't know what to do. The situation is simple: the gun grabbers are determined -- nation wide -- to end all gun ownership through endless litigation that bankrupts their opponents. Wiht OUR tax money. That's what really hurts.
Guess what? Thirty four other state AGs are already drafting similar laws.
Coming soon to your state ...
woodit
And so the days of reckoning come.
"In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
as modest stillness and humility.
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
then imitate the action of the tiger.
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
disguise fair nature with hard-favored rage;
then lend the eye a terrible aspect."
Viva La Resistance!!!!
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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
tbellomo@home.com
http://homes.acmecity.com/thematrix/digital/237/cansite/can.html
www.members.home.net/tbellomo/tbellomo/index.htm
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
"In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
as modest stillness and humility.
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
then imitate the action of the tiger.
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
disguise fair nature with hard-favored rage;
then lend the eye a terrible aspect."
Viva La Resistance!!!!
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Thane (NRA GOA JPFO SAF CAN)
MD C.A.N.OP
tbellomo@home.com
http://homes.acmecity.com/thematrix/digital/237/cansite/can.html
www.members.home.net/tbellomo/tbellomo/index.htm
"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression.
In both instances there is a twilight when everything remains
seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all
must be most aware of change in the air - however slight -
lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
--Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
Woodit,
Guess what? Thirty four other state AGs are already drafting similar laws.
Coming soon to your state ...
woodit
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I'm not questioning the voracity of your statement. I was just wondering how I can get hold of the source so I can warn others and contact representatives. Got a link or location?
BTW, It sounds like the citizen disarmers are becoming increasingly effective. We need an aggressive progressive counter that needs to be in place BEFORE the doggie doos on the rotory wind maker in your states. Any suggestions?
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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"Reasonable gun law?............There's No such critter!" --EQ
Guess what? Thirty four other state AGs are already drafting similar laws.
Coming soon to your state ...
woodit
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I'm not questioning the voracity of your statement. I was just wondering how I can get hold of the source so I can warn others and contact representatives. Got a link or location?
BTW, It sounds like the citizen disarmers are becoming increasingly effective. We need an aggressive progressive counter that needs to be in place BEFORE the doggie doos on the rotory wind maker in your states. Any suggestions?
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"But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip; and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." -Jesus Christ (Luke 22:36, see John 3:15-18)
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"Reasonable gun law?............There's No such critter!" --EQ
OK kids...this is Mama talking
Be smart, here is the background
The MA state laws or Constitution gives their Attorney Gen'l wide powers under the umbrella of public safety vis "defective or unsafe" consumer products. That is the invoked "authority" he acted under. In effect, the MA AG has invented non-existent product standards. If your state has similar authority, then its possible it will happen there. Using this as precident, if Algore becomes President, he could make immediately illegal any gun, automobile, whatever that he choses.
Time to get cold, determined, focused and serious...its stupid to make macho threats and arm-chair warrior crap. This is absolute abuse of power to further an agenda.
1) Buy as many handguns as possible
2) Talk to as many people as you can
3) Write letters to papers, TV, radio, state and Fed reps.
4) more to follow
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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
Be smart, here is the background
The MA state laws or Constitution gives their Attorney Gen'l wide powers under the umbrella of public safety vis "defective or unsafe" consumer products. That is the invoked "authority" he acted under. In effect, the MA AG has invented non-existent product standards. If your state has similar authority, then its possible it will happen there. Using this as precident, if Algore becomes President, he could make immediately illegal any gun, automobile, whatever that he choses.
Time to get cold, determined, focused and serious...its stupid to make macho threats and arm-chair warrior crap. This is absolute abuse of power to further an agenda.
1) Buy as many handguns as possible
2) Talk to as many people as you can
3) Write letters to papers, TV, radio, state and Fed reps.
4) more to follow
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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
And don't forget to stock up on ammo as you buy handguns. I have a feeling that's next on their list.
Is anyone on here from MA, and are you willing to sue the AG? I feel pretty confident that GOA would help out. Not so sure about the NRA, but JPFO and GOA would almost certainly lend a hand.
This is outrageous. They have no idea what they are doing. If they did, they would stop.
Is anyone on here from MA, and are you willing to sue the AG? I feel pretty confident that GOA would help out. Not so sure about the NRA, but JPFO and GOA would almost certainly lend a hand.
This is outrageous. They have no idea what they are doing. If they did, they would stop.
Jeff Thomas
New member
DC, I agree with all of your points.
Especially the part about buying guns ... and ammunition.
Especially the part about buying guns ... and ammunition.
I went to my two local gun stores today. They are both closing. All gun stores in MA -- except those that sell just long guns -- are out of business. I am certain that long guns, and then ammunition will follow, although the howls from hunters will make that more difficult. Of course, the hunters didn't sqwauk about a ban on pistols, so they, too, get what they deserve. It will then be impossible to buy a firearm or ammunition in MA.
Here's what has to happen:
1. ALL MA gun owners (1.2M, believe it or not), vote Republican this fall. If you don't, you deserve exactly what you get.
2. We have to track all people killed or injured by bad guys because they could no longer buy a gun to protect themselves. This will then create a class action suit against the MA AG that he will be unlikely to defeat.
And the publicity will end his chances of becoming governor in 2002.
3. In the meantime, it's the Cheaper Than Dirt catalogue, Sportman's, etc. and mail-order ammo and supplies.
Here's what has to happen:
1. ALL MA gun owners (1.2M, believe it or not), vote Republican this fall. If you don't, you deserve exactly what you get.
2. We have to track all people killed or injured by bad guys because they could no longer buy a gun to protect themselves. This will then create a class action suit against the MA AG that he will be unlikely to defeat.
And the publicity will end his chances of becoming governor in 2002.
3. In the meantime, it's the Cheaper Than Dirt catalogue, Sportman's, etc. and mail-order ammo and supplies.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Coinneach:
(edited for tone)
The Massachusetts AG has effectively banned new handgun sales effective 3 April. Where's the outrage?
[This message has been edited by Coinneach (edited April 07, 2000).][/quote]
Your best bet for immediate action is to take this to court and get these regulations put on hold until public hearings have been held.
I reckon the AG will have to provide facts to uphold his regulations. You may want to contact NRA, GAO and SAF to see if they can help you file a class action lawsuit.
(edited for tone)
The Massachusetts AG has effectively banned new handgun sales effective 3 April. Where's the outrage?
[This message has been edited by Coinneach (edited April 07, 2000).][/quote]
Your best bet for immediate action is to take this to court and get these regulations put on hold until public hearings have been held.
I reckon the AG will have to provide facts to uphold his regulations. You may want to contact NRA, GAO and SAF to see if they can help you file a class action lawsuit.
Two problems.
1. By then, all shops will be out of business, which makes it moot (and the AG knows this).
2. The AG has endless money to litigate -- all state tax money.
3. MA gun owners have shown they are, as a group, too stupid to vote for their own interests. They go into the booth, their eyes glaze over, and they automatically vote for people who publically promise to outlaw firearms if elected. I have no idea how to change this.
As I said, coming soon to your state.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ezeckial:
Your best bet for immediate action is to take this to court and get these regulations put on hold until public hearings have been held.
I reckon the AG will have to provide facts to uphold his regulations. You may want to contact NRA, GAO and SAF to see if they can help you file a class action lawsuit.
[/quote]
1. By then, all shops will be out of business, which makes it moot (and the AG knows this).
2. The AG has endless money to litigate -- all state tax money.
3. MA gun owners have shown they are, as a group, too stupid to vote for their own interests. They go into the booth, their eyes glaze over, and they automatically vote for people who publically promise to outlaw firearms if elected. I have no idea how to change this.
As I said, coming soon to your state.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ezeckial:
Your best bet for immediate action is to take this to court and get these regulations put on hold until public hearings have been held.
I reckon the AG will have to provide facts to uphold his regulations. You may want to contact NRA, GAO and SAF to see if they can help you file a class action lawsuit.
[/quote]
Of course they know what they are doing. The major newspapers here are on record as insisting that ... get ready for this ... 'no one has the right to use a firearm to defend their own lives. You should call 911 instead.'
If you can explain this line of reasoning to me, I'd be much obliged.
This is a victim disarmament state. The liberals -- who live safe and sound in rich, well-patrolled communities -- cannot admit that most people need to be able to defend themselves. That admission destroys their political base of lunacy.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob Locke:
And don't forget to stock up on ammo as you buy handguns. I have a feeling that's next on their list.
Is anyone on here from MA, and are you willing to sue the AG? I feel pretty confident that GOA would help out. Not so sure about the NRA, but JPFO and GOA would almost certainly lend a hand.
This is outrageous. They have no idea what they are doing. If they did, they would stop.[/quote]
If you can explain this line of reasoning to me, I'd be much obliged.
This is a victim disarmament state. The liberals -- who live safe and sound in rich, well-patrolled communities -- cannot admit that most people need to be able to defend themselves. That admission destroys their political base of lunacy.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bob Locke:
And don't forget to stock up on ammo as you buy handguns. I have a feeling that's next on their list.
Is anyone on here from MA, and are you willing to sue the AG? I feel pretty confident that GOA would help out. Not so sure about the NRA, but JPFO and GOA would almost certainly lend a hand.
This is outrageous. They have no idea what they are doing. If they did, they would stop.[/quote]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by woodit:
Two problems.
1. By then, all shops will be out of business, which makes it moot (and the AG knows this).
2. The AG has endless money to litigate -- all state tax money.
3. MA gun owners have shown they are, as a group, too stupid to vote for their own interests. They go into the booth, their eyes glaze over, and they automatically vote for people who publically promise to outlaw firearms if elected. I have no idea how to change this.
As I said, coming soon to your state.
[/quote]
If you're ready to give up...move to another state.
Two problems.
1. By then, all shops will be out of business, which makes it moot (and the AG knows this).
2. The AG has endless money to litigate -- all state tax money.
3. MA gun owners have shown they are, as a group, too stupid to vote for their own interests. They go into the booth, their eyes glaze over, and they automatically vote for people who publically promise to outlaw firearms if elected. I have no idea how to change this.
As I said, coming soon to your state.
[/quote]
If you're ready to give up...move to another state.
DC,
"Time to get cold, determined, focused and serious...its stupid to make macho threats and arm-chair warrior crap. This is absolute abuse of power to further an agenda.
1) Buy as many handguns as possible
2) Talk to as many people as you can
3) Write letters to papers, TV, radio, state and Fed reps.
4) more to follow"
Zip flames to you personally, but yours was closest to anything real - especially "more to follow" and your "preamble." & folks, this is all in my most reasonable voice - I ain't even shouting or nuttin' ... not even sarcastic.
Sure, get your handguns while you may. And when they are banned outright?
Sure, talk to everyone you know. & say what?
Doesn't matter if nobody does anything. Talk is cheap.
Sure, write. They don't give a rat's butt. "The Reps" and if I may be so bold, you all in Mass (the land of Concord & Lexington) sold yourselves out long ago with your FOID card, etc.
It's a sad day, no doubt, but you got yourselves to blame.
Where was the outrage years ago when they started cramming this stuff down your throats? & Coin's spot on. Where's the outrage?
Same for California. The state "made" you register a certain class of firearm, you did (stupids) and they confiscated them (some) - but you are an illegal for possessing a piece of metal that never hurt anyone. Where's that outrage?
One of our own was so happy when she finally got her very own FOID card and was ALLOWED by her state to actually go down a buy her handgun. Where's that outrage?
I could go on a bit more but the point's been made, I think.
Outraged? Probably. Doing anything about it at all? Nope.
Lawsuits? Go ahead and cry to JPFO, NRA, GOA, whomever. It'll cost you personally tons of money (your dues to whatever organisation won't go to what it was originally earmarked for) and too, you'll get to spend your own tax dollars in defending against the suit. & if there's any settlement in favor of your own rights, you get to pay for that as well. Where the hell do you think your AG gets his money? Catcha 22.
It is so sad to me that we have those who will donate scads of bucks to their fave gun org, maybe write a Rep-letter or two, whine & moan in forums, etc. but will never get off their sad butts to get out publicly and just say no.
You all got exactly what you deserve because you didn't take any active part in your own government.
Here's the plug (again) for the Tyranny Response Team at: http://www.trteam.com (yup, new location)
We have started this in Colorado because we are absolutely disgusted with turn of events here - and, it is nowhere nearly as restrictive as what many of you have to deal with. But folks, we ain't playing their game.
& here's DC's "more to follow" ... Just say NO!, vocally & in the streets. Go down to that butthead of an AG's office with about 10,000 people and tell him all damned day, "Nope, sorry, our rights are not negotiable."
There is about 20 demos a day going on in this country from janitors (3K+) in CA for higher wages to that Cuban kid (10K+) in Miami .... where the hell's the pro-freedom, law-abiding, tax-payer (you are funding all this anti-freedom madness! BTW) ... where the hell are you!?
And, please do get a spine & grow some balls.
Back to CO ... we, many thousands, are having none of it. Sorry, Feds & The Guv & quite frankly, the voters if they're stupid enough to pass our latest ballot initiative.
We will not play by their made up rules in their make believe li'l world.
One of the reasons I haven't frequented TFL nearly as much lately is 1) I've been very busy actually doing something & 2) I get disgusted "listening" to all the "I'm gonna do this when ...," all the "I'm so outraged that they ... ," "go here to sign this petition," "what's the best PC assault rifle that they won't take from me" stupid crap.
Quite frankly, I've better things to do with my time & to help preserve my own rights.
Yup, the TRT's just doing demos in the streets right now (we get to play with The Prez this upcoming week while he cries about the Columbine Tragedy - again - here in Denver) .... but the fuse is all but lit. I will leave it to the more discriminating amongst you to figure out the rest.
Will will not disarm. We will not obey their stupid laws any longer. The sooner the rest of y'all get up offa your butts and actually stand up for your own rights the better.
I got two words for 'em. The first F-word is freedom, the second? FU! (& no, is ain't Freemont University).
sic gorgiamos allos subjectos nunc!
(we gladly feast on those who would subdue us) ... not just pretty words
"Time to get cold, determined, focused and serious...its stupid to make macho threats and arm-chair warrior crap. This is absolute abuse of power to further an agenda.
1) Buy as many handguns as possible
2) Talk to as many people as you can
3) Write letters to papers, TV, radio, state and Fed reps.
4) more to follow"
Zip flames to you personally, but yours was closest to anything real - especially "more to follow" and your "preamble." & folks, this is all in my most reasonable voice - I ain't even shouting or nuttin' ... not even sarcastic.
Sure, get your handguns while you may. And when they are banned outright?
Sure, talk to everyone you know. & say what?
Doesn't matter if nobody does anything. Talk is cheap.
Sure, write. They don't give a rat's butt. "The Reps" and if I may be so bold, you all in Mass (the land of Concord & Lexington) sold yourselves out long ago with your FOID card, etc.
It's a sad day, no doubt, but you got yourselves to blame.
Where was the outrage years ago when they started cramming this stuff down your throats? & Coin's spot on. Where's the outrage?
Same for California. The state "made" you register a certain class of firearm, you did (stupids) and they confiscated them (some) - but you are an illegal for possessing a piece of metal that never hurt anyone. Where's that outrage?
One of our own was so happy when she finally got her very own FOID card and was ALLOWED by her state to actually go down a buy her handgun. Where's that outrage?
I could go on a bit more but the point's been made, I think.
Outraged? Probably. Doing anything about it at all? Nope.
Lawsuits? Go ahead and cry to JPFO, NRA, GOA, whomever. It'll cost you personally tons of money (your dues to whatever organisation won't go to what it was originally earmarked for) and too, you'll get to spend your own tax dollars in defending against the suit. & if there's any settlement in favor of your own rights, you get to pay for that as well. Where the hell do you think your AG gets his money? Catcha 22.
It is so sad to me that we have those who will donate scads of bucks to their fave gun org, maybe write a Rep-letter or two, whine & moan in forums, etc. but will never get off their sad butts to get out publicly and just say no.
You all got exactly what you deserve because you didn't take any active part in your own government.
Here's the plug (again) for the Tyranny Response Team at: http://www.trteam.com (yup, new location)
We have started this in Colorado because we are absolutely disgusted with turn of events here - and, it is nowhere nearly as restrictive as what many of you have to deal with. But folks, we ain't playing their game.
& here's DC's "more to follow" ... Just say NO!, vocally & in the streets. Go down to that butthead of an AG's office with about 10,000 people and tell him all damned day, "Nope, sorry, our rights are not negotiable."
There is about 20 demos a day going on in this country from janitors (3K+) in CA for higher wages to that Cuban kid (10K+) in Miami .... where the hell's the pro-freedom, law-abiding, tax-payer (you are funding all this anti-freedom madness! BTW) ... where the hell are you!?
And, please do get a spine & grow some balls.
Back to CO ... we, many thousands, are having none of it. Sorry, Feds & The Guv & quite frankly, the voters if they're stupid enough to pass our latest ballot initiative.
We will not play by their made up rules in their make believe li'l world.
One of the reasons I haven't frequented TFL nearly as much lately is 1) I've been very busy actually doing something & 2) I get disgusted "listening" to all the "I'm gonna do this when ...," all the "I'm so outraged that they ... ," "go here to sign this petition," "what's the best PC assault rifle that they won't take from me" stupid crap.
Quite frankly, I've better things to do with my time & to help preserve my own rights.
Yup, the TRT's just doing demos in the streets right now (we get to play with The Prez this upcoming week while he cries about the Columbine Tragedy - again - here in Denver) .... but the fuse is all but lit. I will leave it to the more discriminating amongst you to figure out the rest.
Will will not disarm. We will not obey their stupid laws any longer. The sooner the rest of y'all get up offa your butts and actually stand up for your own rights the better.
I got two words for 'em. The first F-word is freedom, the second? FU! (& no, is ain't Freemont University).
sic gorgiamos allos subjectos nunc!
(we gladly feast on those who would subdue us) ... not just pretty words
I appreciate the sentiment, but do you have anything a bit more helpful, short of armed rebellion?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by labgrade:
Will will not disarm. We will not obey their stupid laws any longer. The sooner the rest of y'all get up offa your butts and actually stand up for your own rights the better.[/quote]
(Edited to reduce thread length - TBM)
[This message has been edited by TheBluesMan (edited April 08, 2000).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by labgrade:
Will will not disarm. We will not obey their stupid laws any longer. The sooner the rest of y'all get up offa your butts and actually stand up for your own rights the better.[/quote]
(Edited to reduce thread length - TBM)
[This message has been edited by TheBluesMan (edited April 08, 2000).]
Nobody said anything about armed rebellion.
I just don't much of anyone doing anything active.
Go clog the streets in front of the AG's office with a demonstration, etc. whatever.
Ever see the film of the 30K (or so) in Australia demonstrating AFTER all their guns were turned in & cut up?
In my mind, that's a little late.
I just don't much of anyone doing anything active.
Go clog the streets in front of the AG's office with a demonstration, etc. whatever.
Ever see the film of the 30K (or so) in Australia demonstrating AFTER all their guns were turned in & cut up?
In my mind, that's a little late.