MAS-36 in .308?

saands

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Does anyone have any experience with the MAS-36 chambered in .308? Are these just rechambered 7.5mm's with a 7.5mm barrel or are these rebarreled with an honest .308 barrel? I see some in Shotgun News and I'm looking for a .308 bolt rifle. I have heard that the MAS-36 in 7.5mm was a good rifle ... I have a couple of other .308's though, so I'd like to keep the ammo logistics simple and stay with the .308 version. Any comments on reliability, accuracy, or "fit and finish" would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Saands
 
That Mas-36 is not exactly robust. I don't think I'd trust one in .308 to be safe.

Just my opinion. But I wouldn't have one of them and wouldn't want to be near one on the range.

Doc Hudson
 
most just had the chamber cut, accuracy is lousy on most in .308. This is the first I hear about it bieng a weak action however...I am sure glad I sold mine!
 
Also, if you have a C&R license, you can't buy the .308 model unless it came that way from the factory. I've heard nothing but bad reports on the rechambered .308s.
 
I had one briefly, it jammed so bad I took it back the next gunshow and demanded and received a full cash refund on the spot. Held that cash about two minutes, then bought a nice revolver which should never jam.

Best thing about the MAS-36 was the cool bayonet sheath shaped just like the blade. Weirdest accessory was the night sights, which you carry in a cloth bag, then shine a flashlight inside for a few minutes until they glow, then slip them onto the rifle until they grow dim in a few
minutes. No wonder the French haven't won any wars since they lost Napoleon!
 
There are very real problems with trying to buy an inexpensive rifle in 308.The rub is in the difference in safe chamber pressures allowed between rifles that have been made into 308, and their original round.if you were going to shoot just 308 NATO military ball, or handload down, it would probably be okay , but the temptation would be (for me anyway) to use 308 Win, which is really not the same thing.

You might find the small ring (spanish etc) Mausers, but they were originally chambered for 7x57, which is not a high pressure round. Also has some design elements which make them less able to take a kB with grace.

The Mas 7.5 round is longer than a 308, so the barrel is shortened on the chamber end. I have heard good things about the conversion, and my "Cartridges of the World" 8th Edition lists the bullet diameter as .308", so I can't see why they would not be potentially accurate. A Frank de Haas book I have discusses at length and in great detail how the action is both strong and robust, and although the French cartridge operates at a lower pressure, would be suitable for such a rechambering.

The current Isreali mauser 98's would be great, except that they have seen some rough service, and all the ones I have seen for sale are beat. Great history though.

You might be able to find a Steyr made 98 in .308 on a C&R site, and there is no reason that this should not work out well.

Or just buy a Savage. Good Luck
 
I did not mean to insinuate the Mas 36 is a weak action, simply not as robust as the Mauser or Enfield actions.

Two other things about the rifle that fail to endear it to me is the odd bolt handle angle and the lack of a manual safety.

Doc Hudson
 
Quoting Frank de Hass in his book, Bolt Action Rifles, 1st Edition 1971, pages 60-61, comments:
"I have gone to some length describing the MAS Model 36 rifle and action because I think this action is most interesting and unusual. To be sure, this has some faults, but it also has some excellent features worthy of comment and consideration.
It appears to be a very strong action. The two locking lugs are solid and massive. There is a lot of metal in the receiver bridge to support the lugs when the bolt is locked and there is no chance that the supporting shoulders will fail. Though the left side of the receiver has a thumb notch, there is ample metal connecting the receiver bridge and ring. The receiver is strengthened further by the ridge of metal along each side and by the heavy walled internal magazine.There is little chance in the receiver parting in the middle even though the locking lugs are at the rear of the bolt. I cannot see how the receiver could "stretch" and the very heavy bolt is certainly not going to compress when firing the rifle.....
The MAS design also results in a shorter bolt travel, and this may aid in speed of operation. An important result of the design is that the cartridges do not span any gap between the magazine and chamber, the resultant feeding being more positive and reliable.
I believe the MAS 36 is also a very safe action because the front of the bolt is surrounded by a solid ring of steel when the bolt is locked, the bolt face nearly contacts the barrel, and the rim of the cartridge is almost fully enclosed; the rear of the bolt is entiely closed so that gases can't escape. The bolt of the MAS is relatively short and the long receiver bridge considerable support, resulting in little "play" or looseness of the bolt when the action is open. On the few rifles I have examined and handled, bolt operation is easy and smooth. I noticed too, that the actions were generally very well made and finished. I especially like the extractor of this action. It is simple and strong - modern designers of turn bolt actions might do well to copy it. I certainly would consider it better than some of the puny modern rifle extractors like those of the Remington M700 and Weatherby actions.
I found the magazine box to be a marvel the way it will accept and feed a wide variety of cartridges. It will only handle cartridges about 3.0" in over-all length, but many cartridges fall within these limits. for example, it will feed perfectly such cartridges as the .22-250, .250-3000, .243,6mm. .257 Roberts, 7mm, .284, .308, .35 Remington, and .358. If loaded carefully, it could also handle the .225 and .220 Swift cartridges. Cartridges with larger rims that would also function are the .219 Zipper, .25-35,.30-30,.30-40 and .303 British. If this isn't enough, I also found that the magazine will take fatter rimmed cartridges like the .444 Marlin and .45-70, though the cartridge lips at the front half of the magazine well must be widened a bit. I belive it would also handle short wildcat cartridges based on the belted magnum case.....
The MAS M36 is an astonishingly simple action with a minimum of parts - fewer than any other high powered turn bolt repeater of which I'm aware. For example, this action has 12 less component parts than the M98 Mauser, which has fewer parts than the 03 Springfield. The entire M36 bolt assembly consist of just five parts; bolt, extractor, firing pin, mainspring and bolt button. An action that has fewer parts is not always an indication it is good, but like any piece of machinery, fewer parts lessen the chance of break-down."

This was part of a longer post on another board, which I trimmed a bit. de Hass obviously believes this action to be sufficiently strong for .308. Personally I'd like one in .45-70 or .458 American, but haven't had the time to pursue it. Sorry for the novel, but it seemed like it needed posting.
 
Thank you all for your informative posts. I just got an e-mail from the shop that I was thinking of using and they are sold out of the MAS-36! I think that at this point, I will go the rebarrel route on a Turkish Mauser. Although I'm sure I will spend more than the $99 I saw the MAS-36 for, I am also sure that I will learn more through the project. In my internet reading, I also ran across people that were saying that even the Mauser 98 actions were not up to the task of the .308, but I think that these must be people who are sticking to the fact that it is conceivable that an action could fail ... I imagine that my Browning BLR that came in .308WIN could also, conceivably, fail. Afterall, nothing is perfect. I'll make my Mauser a .308 thank you very much, and I'll shoot it with confidence!

Thanks again,
Saands
 
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