Mark 4 vs NXS f1

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Thejunk07

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Between the two scopes is the night force really worth double the price? Why is there only one front focal night force scope?

Also, if I decide to go with a fixed power instead of variable, does anyone have any suggestions other than a mark 4 because night force doesn't make any...
 
Ok, quite a few options for that.
Forgot to ask...What magnification range do you want, and what is your budget?

I'll post up some options in just a bit.
Nightforce are great optics, but....
They are very heavy!
They are robust and made to take a beating, but how many people do you know that treat their target guns like a second hand boat paddle?

IMHO, You are paying for the Robustness and the NF logo more than anything. The glass is not any better than high end Leupold, Vortex, S&B, USO, etc...

I think there are scopes that are just as good (clarity, tracking, reticles, magnification, etc) but cost less.
 
My budget is between 1200 and whatever I need to spend to get what I NEED. If that makes any sense. I don't want to spend 10,000 dollars, but if it takes another 1000 to get what is going to be effective then I will do it. I haven't decided on magnification yet, might go with the 6.5-20 from leupold because that is what they offer in front focal mil dot with the .1 mil adjustments, I was also thinking about a 10 power fixed if I look through one and feel comfortable with it out to 1000 yards like people say I can. Really I am just trying to figure out the best way to go though. I don't want to spend the extra 1000 dollars if I don't have to, but I also don't want to get something that costs so much but doesn't quite do it for me.
 
Sorry, got sidetracked with work and other things.

Nightforce NXS F1 - $2,467.00
Magnification: 3.5-15
Objective Diameter: 50 mm
Exit Pupil Diameter: 11.5mm @ 3.5x / 3.2mm @ 15x
Field Of View: 28ft @ 3.5x / 8.7ft @ 15x
Eye Relief: 3.15in (80 mm)
Internal Adjustment Range: 110MOA elev. / 80MOA wind.
30Mil elev. / 21.8Mil wind.
Click Value: .250MOA / .1Mil-Rad
Tube Diameter: 30 mm (1.18in)
Ocular Diameter: 36 mm
Mounting Length: 6.2in
Weight: 30oz
Overall Length: 14.8in
Reticles: NP-RF™1, MLR2.0™, MD2.0, LV.5, H59
Illumination: Standard, except for H59 models
Zero Stop Option: Standard

Leupold Mk4 ER/T 6.5-20x50 - $1,699.95


Matte
Tactical Milling Reticle
30mm
Long Range
Side Focus
M5 Target Knobs
First Focal Plane Reticle
Free Leupold Flip-Open Lens Covers

Specifications
Weight (oz): 22


FFP Tactical Milling Reticle
Length (in): 14.5
Eye Relief (in): 4.4 - 3.6
Field of View @ 100 yards (ft): 14.7 - 5.8
Exit Pupil (mm): 6.5 - 2.5
MIL: 1/10
Finish: Matte
Mounting Space (in): 6.6

Leupold Mark 6 3-18x44mm - $2,199.95
Lens Coating: Xtended Twilight Lens System w/ Diamond Coat 2
Elevation Adjustment style: M5B2 Autolocking Pinch & Turn
Adjustment Value: 0.1 Mil Per Click
Elevation Zero Stop: Yes
Revolution Indicator: Yes
Adjustment Per Revolution: 10 Mils
Factory/custom quick change BDC rings available: Yes
Maintube Diamater: 34mm

Waterproof:
Yes
Fogproof: Yes
Eyepiece Design: Locking Fast Focus
Actual Magnification: 3-18
Linear Field of View (ft @100yd): 36.8-6.3
Exit Pupil (mm): 10.3-2.4
Weight (oz): 23.6
Length (in): 11.9
Mounting Space (in): 5.3
Objective Aperature (mm): 44
Eye Relief (in): 3.8-3.9
Elevation Adjustment Range (MOA): 100
Windage Adjustment Range (MOA): 50

Sightron SIII 6-24x50 - $999.95
Magnification: 6-24x
Objective Lens (mm): 50
Field of View (ft @ 100yds): 16.1 - 3.9
Eye Relief (in): 3.6 - 3.8
Reticle Type: Mil-Hash
Click Value (@ 100yds): .1 MRAD
Minutes Per Revolution: 5 MRAD
W/E Travel (@ 100yds): 23.5 MRAD
Knob Style: Tactical (Resettable)
Parallax: 40yds to infinity
Finish: Matte Black
Waterproof: Yes
Fully Multi Coated: Yes (Zact-7 TM 7-Layer)
Weight (oz): 24.3
Length (in): 14.96
Tube Diameter: 30mm
Sunshade: Yes
Lens Cover Included: Yes
Illuminated Reticle: No

Steiner M5Xi 5-25x56mm - $3,149.99
Magnification: 5-25x
Objective Clear Diameter: 56 mm
Tube Diameter: 34 mm
Focal Plane: 1st
Field of View @ 100 yds: 23.6 - 4.6
Eye Relief (mm): 90
Exit Pupil (mm): 9.8 - 2.24
Length: 16.6
Weight (oz): 36.3
Diopter Adjustment Range: +2 to -3
Reticle: G2 Mil-Dot
Illumination Control: Rotary Digital Control with Intermediate Stops
Elevation Adjustment Knob: DuoScale™ / Resettable Zero
Wind/Elevation Click Value: 1 cm (0.1 mrad)
Windage Range @ 100 m: 60 cm (6 mils)
Elevation Range @ 100 m: 260 cm (26 mils)
Farallax/Focus: Side Focus
Parallax/Focus Range: 164 ft to infinity
Rubber Armoring: Yes
Nitrogen Filled: Yes
Operating Temperature Range: -13° F to +145° F
Lens Cap: Yes
Waterproof/Fogproof: Submersible to 33 ft
Battery: CR2450
Special Features: Adjustment Knobs 100% Sealed
Warranty: Heritage™ Warranty

SWFA SS HD 5-20x50mm - $1,299.95

Patented First Focal Plane Mil-Quad Reticle
30mm
HD Model
Locking Ocular Adjustment
0.1 Mrad Elevation & Windage
10 Mils Per Revolution
30 Mils Of Total Travel
Side Focus
Specifications
Weight (oz): 30.4
First Focal Plane Mil-Quad
Length (in): 14.65
Eye Relief (in): 4
Field of View @ 100yds (ft): 20.1 - 5.1
Parallax Setting (yds): 35 - infinity
W/E Click Adjustment: .1 MRAD
Elevation Adjustment Range: 30 mils (100+ MOA)

Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50mm - $949.95
Weight (oz): 23.4
Length (in): 15.5
Eye Relief (in): 4.0
Field of View @ 100yds (ft): 17.8 - 5.1
Exit Pupil (mm): 8.33 - 2.08
Mrad: .1
Parallax Setting (yds): 50 - infinity
Focal Plane: FFP
Total Elevation Adjusment: 19 MILS
Total Windage Adjustment: 19 MILS
Travel Per Rotation: 5 MILS
Sunshade: Yes (4")
Battery: CR 2032
Turret Style: Tactical
ArmorTek: Yes
Fogproof: Yes (Argon)
Waterproof: Yes
Lens Coating: XR FMC
Warranty: Lifetime Warranty

Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50mm - $1,699.95
Magnification: 5-20x
Objective Lens Diameter: 50mm
Eye Relief: 3.9 inches
Field of View: 22 - 5.76 feet @ 100 Yards
Tube Size: 35mm
Turret Style: Exposed Target-Style w/ RZR Zero Stop
Adjustment Graduation: .1 mrad
Travel Per Rotation: 10 mrads
Max Elevation Adjustment: 36 mrads
Max Windage Adjustment: 36 mrads
Parallax Setting: 40 yards to infinity
Length: 15.8 inches
Weight: 35.2 ounces

Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27x56mm - $2,499.95
Weight (oz): 48.5
Length (in): 14.4
Eye Relief (in): 3.7
Field of View @ 100yds (ft): 25.3 - 4.4
Exit Pupil (mm): 12.4-2.07
Mrad: .1
Parallax Setting (yds): 32 - infinity
Focal Plane: FFP
Total Elevation Adjusment: 33 MILS
Total Windage Adjustment: 13 MILS
Travel Per Rotation: 10 MILS
Battery: CR 2032
Turret Style: L-Tec
ArmorTek: Yes
Fogproof: Yes (Argon)
Waterproof: Yes
Lens Coating: XRPlus
Warranty: Lifetime Warranty
 
For my money, Vortex Viper PST and Razor HD, SWFA SS HD, and Sightron SIII get the nod for features vs price.

Sightron - I ruled this out for me based on the big dot the reticle has in the center. Would prefer the center to be open or just crosshairs.

I'm seriously considering the Viper PST, SWFA SS HD based on bang for buck...
 
Between the two scopes is the night force really worth double the price?
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In my opinion no but it does to some people. I don't shoot rifles for a living though, some of them do.

Also, if I decide to go with a fixed power instead of variable, does anyone have any suggestions other than a mark 4 because night force doesn't make any...
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SWFA makes/brands fixed power scopes and they get good reviews.

A scope that Precision Shooter did not put on his list that came highly recommended to me is the Bushnell Elite Tactical ERS series. At the time though I had tunnel vision on getting a Vortez Viper PST with the EBR2-c reticle.
 
I think I have decided on the mark 4 6.5-20x50 FFP M5 w/mil reticle. With the mil price it is just too good to pass up if everyone thinks it is a quality scope and has a zero stop. Anyone have any last words before I purchase? Speak now so I don't feel crappy about it later!
 
If you haven't already bought the Mark 4, you might want to wait and try the turrets compared to some other scopes.

I just compared a mark 4 to the viper PST. The turrets on the PST are great! Good positive clicks that you can feel and hear! The mark 4 was very disappointing... Couldn't hear the clicks or feel them very well, just felt very mushy...
 
I tried them out side by side at Cabelas earlier today as I'm trying to decide on my next scope for my long range rifle.

I don't currently own either one. I own a regular Viper which is on my .308 target rifle and other Leupolds (VX1s and VXR) I would say, even the regular Viper ($500 scope) and the VX1/R Leupolds have better turrets than the Mark 4 that I played with today. The Mark 4 was very disappointing, as I had high hopes for it and was leaning that direction, but not after today.
 
Man I don't know anywhere I can try them both out, I have a bass pro and a gander mountain here but I don't think either of them have them.
 
I went and tried one of the cheaper models of the mark 4 and the viper PST at bass pro today. I agree that the clicks on the vortex are more crisp and definitive, but unless you are totally incompetent, the mark 4 turrets should not be a problem at all. I felt like looking through the glass I was much more satisfied with the leupold...
 
I have some Nightforce NSX Scopes. Yes, they are sort of heavy. But I don't think you can buy a better rifle scope. They are just about bullet proof. I like Badger rings and bases also. They are also heavy, but built like a tank.

The glass is very good, and the mechanism is very repeatable. Put it on a good set of rings and bases, and if it rolls around in the truck, of falls off of the ATV, or if it somehow takes a good impact, you will most likely be ok.

Can't say that for some others. There are those here that think if you have expensive equipment, it is a compensation for not being able to shoot well.

You will probably him from them soon.

Its a free country, I suppose they are entitled to their point of view.

I have used many S&B and US Optics scopes as well. I don't own any due to the fact that I don't believe they are any better than the NSX, and they do cost a good bit more for a comparable scope.

The absolute best glass I have used is in a Bushnell Elite 4200. Very clear to 24X. Very surprised by that, but its not built nearly as well as the Nightforce scopes, and the adjustments are not as precise. But, it was a lot less expensive as well.
 
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