Marisleysis? - "there are more than cameras in the house"

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Does anybody have any evidence to contradict this quote in an AP story running today?

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Defending the use of force, a senior Justice Department official said the family had four or five bodyguards who had permits to carry concealed weapons and that there were reports of weapons in the house behind that of Elian's great-uncle Lazaro Gonzalez, where the boy had been staying before the reunion with his father.

In addition, Marisleysis Gonzalez, the great-uncle's daughter, told a federal official last Thursday that if agents were coming to pick up Elian, "they ought to know that there are more than cameras in the house," according to Justice spokeswoman Carole Florman. "We took that as a threat," Florman said.
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I would bet that every phone call with the parties was recorded by the federal government. If she did say those things, the government could easily back its postition. Of course, releasing one part of the conversation might lead to a demand to release all of it, which could be very embarrassing to the feds.

Rick
 
If she was stupid enough to say that to the FEDs then I wouldn't be as mad as I am at how they pulled that extraction.
But then again, remember that the media is a branch of the government.
 
The day before the snatch, the family allowed two different LEO agencies access to the house to search for weapons. In neither case did they find any!

Joe
 
Gee Dennis, I guess your keeping an open mind on this! Where did you learn your character assination ability, the Clinton Administration?
 
I heard that comment attributed to Lazaro, not Marisleazus. As underwhelmed as I am with the gov't action, not to mention the fact that it's hard to get a straight answer form anyone, I do think they had reason to be careful.
M2
 
Dennis Olson - Why do you say that? I hadn't seen anything derogatory about Marisleysis, what do you base that statement on?
 
I heard today that clinton said he hopes the family doesn't sue because the govt would bring out unsavory stuff on them.
What do you think they have?

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Ed
 
I dunno what Clinton has, but it sounds like that slimeball would do something like that. This is our PRESIDENT threatening to make dirt public on a citizen if they take legal action. What a disgrace he is to the office.
 
Ahh...1st and 40, the character assassination squad is sent into the game.

Ed...they could have something, they could have nothing...does it matter? They'll be painted as evil trash regardless. This whole thing has shown conclusively that the media is on the take and will lick Massa's butt in a heartbeat.

I daresay that with the power of a venal, corrupt obedient media and a set plan, every single one of us could be made to look like scum, and the rest of the country would wish to lynch us.

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
I just can't stand her. It's some wierd personal thing; even *I* don't really know exactly why. Every time I see her on video, she's dressed like a $5 whore. I think she's overacting in all this. (Her hospitalization for "exhaustion" - or whatever).

I think the whole family was prostituting that kid for their own personal reasons. When he was taken, they flew to D.C. like they were shot out of a cannon. Following their little "cash cow" IMO. Why couldn't they have flown up to D.C. to allow the dad to visit with HIS SON, *BEFORE* the JBT's stormed the house?

Ohhhh NO, can't have REASONABLE BEHAVIOR, can we???? I hate that whole family for doing what they did to that kid. I hate them for "playing" to the crowds. I hate them for making all this happen.
 
Dennis:
I don't quite follow your logic. You think it is strange that they tried to see a boy they took care of for months. I think it's strange (from a father's perspective) that it took the father months to even come to the same country his son is in. I know it is 90 miles or so but if my son was 3000 miles away I would be there someway. Also , if the father knew his son was in Miami, wouldn't Florida be closer to him than Washington D.C.?



[This message has been edited by DHH (edited April 26, 2000).]
 
Keep it civil and non-personal

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
The preceding post was my personal opinion, as is what follows:

Had the family just "taken him in", that would have been GREAT in my playbook. BUT, they had to MILK him for every possible DROP of political gain against Castro and Cuba. Christ man! The kid is FIVE YEARS OLD! WTF does HE care about all this?

His MOM DIED, and now he's paraded in front of thousands of political dissidents and cameras FOR MONTHS! What a bunch of horse sh*t! The father couldn't come to the U.S. until the political issues surrounding his trip on BOTH sides were resolved.

And why would the kid's father want to risk his LIFE to come to Miami, where THOUSANDS of hysterical anti-Castro demonstators were gathered? Even *I* would want a visit on neutral ground, AWAY from the politics. Why is this so goddam hard for people to understand?

The ONLY thing I think is wrong about returning that kid to his dad was the WAY the house was raided by the JBT's. Except for that, I think the RIGHT THING was done. I also think that after 5 months away from his dad and under all that political pressure, it's only right for the kid & dad to spend some time TOGETHER, without that Miami "family" p*ssing and whining at their pant-legs like a bad tempered Pekingese.

Here's how I see the whole issue:

1) The father, upon learning his son's location, should have been granted IMMEDIATE leave to travel to him. NO STRINGS on either side

2) Upon his arrival in the U.S., the father should have had his son returned to him IMMEDIATELY.

3) They should have been offered asylum AS A FAMILY by our govt.

4) Final decision to stay or go should rest with the surviving PARENT.

We have no right to steal someone's child because we disagree with the politics of his home country. That is BULLSH*T in it's purest form. I hate commies too, but child-theft is not an acceptible remedy IMO. Nor is prostituting a 6 year old child for political/monetary gain.
 
Dennis:
As a whole, I do not disagree with your last post. I do believe that there is much to this tale that has not been revealed. I do remember that the grandmothers had access to the boy in Florida without being harmed.

"Even *I* would want a visit on neutral ground, AWAY from the politics. Why is this so goddam hard for people to understand?"

I understand this completely. I just think that Washington D.C. is not a politically neutral location.
 
I keep hearing about how the South-Florida Cuban-Americans have "used" and "exploited" this kid. Sorry, I can't buy it. He showed up, they acted.

To those who make such claims: when--before Elian showed up--was the last time you gave ANY thought to Miami Cubans? Just WHAT was the "cause"? Refresh me on this.

DC, your last line--about a corrupt media being able to make any of us look like scum-- hits the real crux of the matter. (OBVIOUSLY he was planning some kind of violent action since he had over "X" number of guns, and "thousands" of rounds (5 bricks) of ammunition, etc., etc.)

BTW, when you asked to keep it civil and non-personal, to whom was the comment directed?
 
The "grandmothers" were/are not in a position to take legal custody of the child. Because of that, they can do as they please unmolested. During this fracas, a few "send Elian back to Cuba" protestors showed up in the crowd. They were attacked by the anti-Castro folks, and had to run for their lives.

I cannot imagine that the father's fate would be any different. He has plainly stated that he wants to take Elian back to Cuba. I have to believe that he'd have been attacked the moment he set foot on that street.

And periodically, some "event" happens that has the potential to embarrass Castro. The Miami Cuban community latches onto it and milks if for all it's worth. Even though I can't recall a specific incident at this moment, I DO recall such events taking place.

I find it abhorrant that a small child would get USED for that purpose. SHAME!
 
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