Marines Imprisoned.

carbiner

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Eight Marines are being held in prison. TIM MCGIRK of TIME magazine seems to be the main instigator of this HADITHA story. It also seems Timmy was taking his instructions from some human rights watch group that most people pay no attention to, except for the leftwing press.

Im concerned about why these Marines are locked up?


Is this going to turn into the likes of that pathetic Duke case? In other words, is this another ideology driven persecution?
 
I take it you are referring to these:

Lawyers: Threats Used Against Marines
Jun 16 8:14 PM US/Eastern

Pentagon investigators threatened the death penalty and used other coercive techniques to obtain statements from some of the seven Marines and a Navy corpsman jailed for the shooting death of an Iraqi civilian, two defense lawyers say.

Attorney Jane Siegel, who represents Marine Pfc. John Jodka, 20, said Naval Criminal Investigative Service officials spoke to her client three times after he was taken into custody May 12. Jodka was questioned for up to eight hours at a time and was not offered water or toilet breaks, Siegel said.

"They used some really heavy-handed tactics to extract the information," Siegel said, adding that her client was not read his rights prior to questioning _ a fundamental right to which all accused troops are entitled _ and was threatened with the death penalty.

Jeremiah Sullivan III, the attorney representing the unidentified Navy medic, said his client was treated similarly.

Marine Lt. Col. Scott Fazekas, a Pentagon spokesman, referred questions to Camp Pendleton, where the troops are being held. Officials there declined to comment.

Gary D. Solis, a former Marine Corps prosecutor and judge advocate who teaches law of war at Georgetown University Law Center, said investigators were within their rights to threaten a suspect with the death penalty since it is the maximum sentence for premeditated murder.

If statements are to be used in a trial, a military judge must first decide that they were given voluntarily, Solis said. If the defense can argue this was not the case then the statements could be ruled inadmissible.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/16/D8I9KJA80.html

June 16, 2006

Shackles removed from confined Marines, sailor

By Gidget Fuentes
Times staff writer


OCEANSIDE, Calif. — Military officials on Friday said they have decided to remove shackles put on seven confined Marines and one sailor whenever they’re outside their individual cells at the Camp Pendleton brig, a Marine Corps spokesman said.

The eight men, confined at the brig since May 24, were being held with “maximum” restraints based on their battalion commander’s decision following an initial investigation into the shooting. As of Friday, they were shifted into what’s called “medium-in” restraint in pre-trial custody, which does not require shackles to be worn, although they remain escorted anytime they are outside their cell, according to 2nd Lt. Lawton King, a base spokesman.


Under “medium-in,” they won’t have any personal restraint while inside the brig, but once outside – such as to go to a court hearing – each “is restrained with handcuffs attached to a leather belt … and their respective escorts carry along leg cuffs in the event they are needed,” King said.

The decision to lower the restraint level came after a June 15 review by the brig commander, he said.

The seven Marines and Navy corpsman, all members of the Pendleton-based 3rd Battalion, 5th Marines currently deployed in Iraq, were first confined to quarters in Iraq on May 12 after allegations rose over the April 26 death of an Iraqi man in the village of Hamdaniya.

Families and defense attorneys representing three of the men had been complaining publicly and to base officials about the confinement measures that were imposed. The brig houses Marines and sailors who are awaiting court hearings or courts-martial as well as those convicted and serving a sentence.

Each of the men are in an 8-foot by 9-foot cells, alone, in a section called “special quarters,” where they receive their meals. Each gets one hour a day to spend at an enclosed outdoor courtyard, where they could exercise if they want, and they can meet with their attorneys in a small private room and with family members in a visitors’ room during weekend and holiday visiting hours.
http://marinetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1875786.php
 
Guy I know - Tony Attanasio, former NYPD, retired U.S. DEA, and author of "The Orchid Memorandum", wrote this article. Thought it was interesting enough to pass on.

Time's massacre


Published June 14, 2006


With Marines being accused of war crimes, the blogosphere is doing
what it
does best: scrutinizing the reporting. In this case, the site
Sweetness &
Light has been on Time magazine's case for what appears to be
justifiable
concerns over its reporting of the Nov. 19 Haditha incident, in which
Marines are under investigation for killing two dozen innocent Iraqis.

Time first broke the story on Haditha in March, four months after the
incident - a delay which too few of the Marines' more ardent accusers
(such
as Rep. John Murtha) failed to question. One of Time's key sources
who had
taken footage of the aftermath was represented only as a "journalism
student." It has since been learned that this eyewitness was Taher
Thabet al
Hadithi.

Here's how Time reporter Aparisim Ghosh described Mr. Hadithi: "[H]
e's a
young local man . He brought the tape to Hammurabi Human Rights. and
they
brought it to us once they found out that we were inquiring about
this."

In fact, Mr. Hadithi is middle-aged and a co-founder of the Hammurabi
Organization. The Associated Press has described him as an "Iraqi
investigator." Either Mr. Hadithi misrepresented himself to Time, or
Time
chose not to mention his association with the previously unknown
Hammurabi
Organization in its original article on the incident.

Then there's the timing issue. Mr. Hadithi says he witnessed Marines
going
house to house killing Iraqis, and videotaped the aftermath the next
day.
This raises the question of why Mr. Hadithi, or the Hammurabi
Organization,
waited at least two months before bringing his tape to the attention
of the
mainstream media, especially since Hammurabi proclaims itself a human-
rights
group. Nor did Hammurabi's other founder, Abdul-Rahman al Mashhadani,
mention the alleged massacre during an interview with the Institute
for War
and Peace in December.

In a June 4 article, Time acknowledged Mr. Hadithi's connections to
the
Hammurabi Organization, and this time labeled him a "budding Iraqi
journalist and human-rights activist." The article concludes, "If
there is
any beneficiary at all of the tragedy, it is Hammurabi.which is
flooded with
new volunteers and free to do its work more aggressively."

Time has had to correct its earlier contention that it received the
video
from Human Rights Watch, which Time identified as working with the
Hammurabi
Organization. Human Rights Watch, as Time now acknowledges, has no
association with Hammurabi, raising yet another question: Just what
is the
Hammurabi Organization? More to the point, did Time adequately vet its
founders for conflicts of interest before printing their story and
putting
our troops at greater risk?

Time has also had to correct its reporting that "one of the most
damning
pieces of evidence investigators have in their possession, John
Sifton of
Human Rights Watch told Time's Tim McGirk, is a photo, taken by a
Marine
with his cell phone that shows Iraqis kneeling - and thus posing no
threat -
before they were shot." Mr. Sifton has now admitted to Time that he
has no
firsthand knowledge of this mysterious photo.

As counter-evidence goes, Time's misreporting unfortunately does
little to
clear up what happened in Haditha. But as a case-in-point lesson in
how the
media can artfully angle a story, it's evidence enough.
 
Idealology realy has nothing to do with it. If the allegations are true(lets remember innocent until proven guilty) then these folks need to be locked up at the very least and will likely receive the Death Penalty.

I know these young people have seen some horrendous crap over there. But that does not even come close to making wholesale slaughter of the people whom they are there to free okay.

The media may be out to get our guys and gals in uniform, but dead little girls with .223 holes in them are a little bit more persuasive than a hooker's word, so don't even try to draw parallels.

FWIW, if indeed they commited these acts, I hope they don't get off on the technicality of being coerced into confessing. OTOH, if they did not do the crime, I hope the gov does not turn them into an example.
 
FWIW - I've been to Haditha, and it's an insurgent-infested rat hole. That place is NOT what the media is trying to make it seem, and these Marines will get the benefit of the doubt from me.

It's a little difficult to distinguish between combatants and non-combatants when you're using frag grenades to clear a room because people in a house have decided to risk their family's lives by attacking a Marine patrol.
Once a house is identified as hostile, it's gone.

That said, yes, if this turns out to be true then just punishment is deserved. But like I said - I've walked down those same streets...I know what that place is like.
 
We should start putting these so called journalists out into the spotlight and scrutinize them when they fire up such serious allegations.

This isn't childs play. TIM MCGIRKEN needs to be held fully accountable if his rant turns out to be more media lies.

America is watching this one. If this turns out to be another DAN RATHER-lets make things up just to make the America look bad, I say full prosecution for Tim.
 
We are not fighting an enemy that plays by the same rules we do, they have not signed the Geneva Convention yet we abide by them. We are at war and will be until American's wake and realize that the terrorist value system is COMPLETELY different than ours, thir value on life is different. This is NOT a fair war. Maybe we should let the Liberals and journalist fight the war after they've got every fight man afraid to do what he/she is trained to do. Get the media out of the war business... I for one have not forgotten 911 and appreciate all our fighting men and women are doing.
 
Lets hope they get a fair trial. The way I see it is not only the press thier enemy but the weniercrats in the military and the administration who want to make political brownie points with the Iraqis. Just review the case of Marine LT. Pantano. He was eventualy found innocent....However the wienercrats put him through a long ordeal that should have been quashed from the get go. The Marines deserve a fair trial to determine what really happened and to decide guilt or innocence.
 
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Now you have some idea why I left the Corps after my first tour. "The Marines take care of their own" yeah, real good care. BOHICA
 
Oh, please. If the allegations are false, so much the better, and then we can all sleep better at night knowing that our Marines conducted themselves honorably.

If the allegations are true, some people here will argue that the liberal media either put those rifles in the Marines' hands, or that Dan Rather himself shot those non-combatants just to be able to pin it on the military.

Some of you are so eaten up with ideology that you sound exactly like the people from the left that you hate so much.

Im concerned about why these Marines are locked up?

They are locked up because they are accused of shooting noncombatant civilians, including very young children, at point-blank range as reprisal after a roadside bombing that killed one of the Marines. The military investigated the claim and the evidence, and found them substantial enough to bring charges.
 
The reason I harp on leftwing media over the Marines is because they tell us so little about what is happening. Their aligations.

The same thing we get harped on by these same liberal cry babies in the media when it come their precious detainees in Gitmo. Who the hell cares? No one I know on a day to day baises cares about saddam.

So some bozo in Iraq tells some liberal at Time magazine a Marine shot someone, Jack Murtha repeats it on TV calls the Marine killers and the whole damn liberal wenee brigade is in a tiff. SO WHAT, ITS A WAR.

I was informed AGAIN by the wenees at MSN that Saddam will be ok though. Still nothing about the Marines, at least their not worth headline news like or beloved Saddam is. This entire week not one in all the humans I talk to each at work, home, and other, has asked me HOW IS SADDAM DOING.
 
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carbiner, you should be locked up. Put in prison, throw the key away. Why not? As you yourself say:

Who the hell cares? No one I know on a day to day baises.

Check into the concept "rule of law" sometime.
 
So wait, it's ok to interrogate our own soldiers in the manner described, but not our enemies'? what the.....!!!!:mad:
 
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