Many new firearms these days look sloppy

in cosmetic appearance. This is especially true for metal finishes and stamped markings in gun metal. Most older-production guns looked so much nicer like the builders took pride in their workmanship.

Commercial manufacturing sloppiness is also true on many other consumer products these days from air conditioners to lawn mowers.

Neatness no longer counts. Old-fashioned pride is no longer appreciated.
Work ethics have gone to Sam Hill in a rusty old wheelbarrow, figuratively speaking. Frankly,a rusty old wheelbarrow is likely to originally have had better craftsmanship and materials than most new wheelbarrows.

One can often tell that there is no more pride by the way people generally dress these days too. People aren't as generally well-groomed anymore. The last well-bred human generation seems to be the generation X'ers that follow boomers like me.

People don't speak and act as proper as they used to and most dogs have better manners than most children and many young adults.

Consumer products therefore reflect the quality (or lack thereof) of the people that build them. It's all about being lazy, corporate greed and taking as much money as possible from the consumer and giving as little as possible in return.

The following is a comparison picture of two Mossberg 500 receiver underside markings side by side. One a current-production model and one a vintage model. Which one looks much neater and more legible than the other? The camera was in focus on the right-hand picture with the flash turned off under a bright desk overhead light so you can see what it looks like to the naked human eye.
 

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The camera was in focus according to the indicator in the viewfinder. Camera was in close-up mode. Flash was turned off intentionally. Lighting was a 64-watt overhead florescent fixture. The image will look sharper with flash on but naked human eyes don't normally observe things with constant camera flash on. Here is a shot with flash but some of the markings still don't register clearly.
 

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Just for comparison, look how clean, crisp and legible the markings are on this dark blue Colt Trooper barrel. That Colt was built when American gun makers were proud of their workmanship.
 

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While consumers will state that they want Quality and great customer service what they really want are lower prices. For instances places like Nordstrom's that have great customer service and quality products are struggling, but places like Walmart with cheap goods and low customer services are booming. While many of us that take time to access an on-line firearms forum may be willing to pay a little more for a nicer fit & finish this may not be true for the majority of people buying guns.

As a long time manufacturing professional I can assure you that manufacturers can make great products, but have to be conscious of cost if they want to sell them. So, sadly, sometimes they are forced to cut corners in some areas.
 
So, it's not like product makers have forgotten how to make decent-looking things. The corporate executives just want to stuff their fat faces with profits. My former 1995-vintage Mossberg 500 retailed about $300 new and the trademark stamping and bluing was more than satisfactory to me then and the price was still modest.

I'm real crazy about cosmetics. My mother punished me at age nine for sloppy handwriting. She was Catholic-school-educated in the 1940's.
She once threatened to slap my head right off my body because I was signing a birthday card for my grandmother and the cursive capital G wasn't neat. My mother had sticks and spoons to beat me up. My father was raised old-fashioned too. My parents were spank happy.

Do children these days even know the term "penmanship"?
 
Crazy about cosmetics, yet posted a terrible out of focus picture, that even if the indicator said it was in focus should have been reviewed. Would mom spank your hand?
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Come on Man, your out of focus picture reminds me of a cosmetic ad. They do a before and after and of course the after is a glamor shot.
Instead of the letter you sent, if a concern, I would have simply asked what kind of coating now used on the Newer models.
Sorry to hear about your childhood issues. Maybe not the right place to seek help. (although there are some that will most likely give you some, have a couch nearby?)

Here is a terrible picture I just took off of a cheap refurbished cell phone. I can assure you that in Real Life visual the Clarity is perfect.

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I still like the looks of the 1990's style Mossy trademark much better. I have a Nikon Coolpix I paid $100 for new in 2011.

I endeavor to find such a preowned older vintage 500. Some people think I have OCD.
 
Now Ithaca Gun Company seems to make nice-looking pump shotguns today, but goodness sake, $1K to $2.5K for a stupid pump shotgun!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtqcFAEgNA


My 1995-vintage Mossy 500 I paid all of $3oo for new in 1995 had that clean trademark stamping style and quality and finish I liked.

The all caps lettering on the new model looks all run together and sloppy. It looks like it was "Chinese made" in terms of shoddiness.
 
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The Golden age of US gun manufacturing was the fifties thru the early sixties, ever since we’ve been on a slow downward slide.

cheap guns were always cheaper but workmanship on the common guns was better.

Mossberg was always a second tier brand made for a price point.


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Mossberg was cheap in the 1990's but modestly decent to my eyes still. Was Mossy ever as refined as an Italian over/under or an English double? Not by a damn sight.

Yes, older common guns still had better fit and finish. My former 1971 Colt Lawman Mark III was nicely done but I think Colt d/a revolvers were always more pricey than Smith & Wesson. The common cops carried Smiths while the police top brass had the prestigious Colts.
 
Yeah picture is blurred Jones. Not having the flash on in anything but near daylight with a cheap camera will do that. Especially one from 2011.

I have a Mossberg circa 1996. I wouldn’t call it some well finished looker of a gun. It was a cheaply made, but very functional gun then. They are the same now. Maybe a few more corners are cut to keep prices competitive, but otherwise they aren’t much different.

As to “making em cheap to put money in the CEOs pocket”... dude get real. They keep them cheap to compete with the free market. Want quality? Go drop some money on an expensive firearm. Want a good value? Get another mossberg and appreciate it for what it is.

*yes, appearances do matter. I lament the fact that fewer people press and starch their suits or strive for a clean shave. I actually am a stickler on that to a degree. But we can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the very good. Asking mossberg to dress up their F&F on an entry level shotgun would be asking too much... unless you just want to pay $650 for some finish work as opposed to $400 for serviceable and well made but not polished.
 
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Lots of 1950s-1980s guns looked nice on the outside, but inside they looked like they'd been finished with an angle grinder and 40-grit belt sander.
 
I lament the fact that fewer people press and starch their suits or strive for a clean shave.

Speaking as someone who's last suit "went away" after my daughter's first wedding some 20+ years ago, and who has been sporting a full beard for the past dozen years or so you have my sympathy that so few people today meet your arbitrary standards of dress code.

AS I see it, if you're paying me, you have a say in how I look and what I wear ON THE JOB. Otherwise, not so much.
I'm old, grumpy, and not looking to impress anyone, about anything, least of all my personal appearance.

Just as when buying a gun, you have a say in the quality and appearance you are paying for. You do this by not buying guns that don't meet your standards. You don't do this by complaining about not getting what you want at the price point you want to pay.

Reliable, dependable function, High quality fit and finish, low price....
You can have TWO....:D
 
My experience is polar opposite.

Objects today have a far better fit an finish than those of the past. Cars, guns, refrigerators, even food.

Folks today are much more likely to turn something down that is not cosmetically perfect.
 
The guns are ok. The worst thing is the finish they put on them. Gone is the lustrous blue/black of yesteryear.
 
Barry Lee has it right- guns are much less expensive today.
An old adage used to explain inflation, and has generally been true since 1873 is “a damned good handgun is worth an ounce of gold.”

An ounce of gold is about $1800 today. For that money, you can get a Freedom Arms single action revolver that makes any Colt blush and talk about it’s bluing while I prefer the brushed stainless steel.

I was itching for a new Ithaca model 37, but a used Fabarms semi auto factory cut to my lop showed up for a heck of a deal. New? It would be the same price as the Ithaca.

I’d bet that the Rock River (not island) 1911 I should not buy is a beautiful gun for $1800.

It used to be a gun was a month’s pay or more… not about the cost of a golf club.
 
gun owners / users were a targeted group in sales. quality was offered to them and it was expected.
but, it was a limited market, so gun makers began making mass production guns for all the others, attempting and (succeeding) in putting more guns in more peoples hands...that possessed little or no appreciation for quality or had no ability to shoot them. the industry didn't care. all they want (to this day) is more sales. and, with quality American makers going away or being forced out of business, the marketing strategy of making fine guns is obsolete. granted, fine guns are made but like the days of old, they are marketed to the elite group that appreciate them and are willing to pay more to have them.

its a throw away society now. young lads want videos and smart apps, not gramp's parker or Winchester 94.
 
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