Well, don't know, the history of the early arms makers and dealers is muddy and foggy at best. However I believe Manhattan Firearms is credited in making 175.000 hand guns in their factory. The confusion may be in the fact that one of their " Trade " names they used was Western, Hunter arms later used the same " Trade name ". To the best of my knowledge. Hunter Arms never used Manhattan to make any of their arms. I believe the Manhattan Arms Co. ( name changed to American Standard by that time ) closed its doors in 1873, John Hunter Sr. didn't have his boots on the ground until 1888 or there about.