(MA)Fed judge upholds state ban on shooting at human image

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http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/regs10032000.htm

Fed judge upholds state ban on shooting at human image
by Andrea Estes

Tuesday, October 3, 2000

A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit brought by gun owners who said a state
law banning target practice on human images violates their rights.

In a terse, two-page opinion issued Sept. 28, U.S. District Court Judge George
O'Toole dismissed the challenge of the Massachusetts Gun Control Act of 1998,
brought by the Gun Owners Action League and other pro-gun groups.

The assault weapons law, which went into effect in October of 1998, also bans
certain guns, requires new permits and registration and boosts penalties for
commiting crimes with guns.

``We're disappointed that the right to freedom of expression of law-abiding
firearm owners would be given such short shrift,'' said Stephen Halbrook, the Gun
Owners Action League's lawyer.

According to Halbrook, many gun owners like to shoot at targets bearing famous
faces - Adolph Hitler's in particular.

``We made an argument that this is a political expression - it expresses a political
viewpoint,'' Halbrook said. ``If the First Amendment right to free speech protects
burning the American flag, then it should protect shooting at a picture of Adolph
Hitler.''

Assistant Attorney General Edward DeAngelo, who represented the governor,
attorney general and state police, had argued the only reason gun owners use
targets shaped like humans is to practice shooting at people.

In addition, DeAngelo argued, the restriction applies only to gun clubs looking for a
special license. With the license, gun enthusiasts, even those without a permit, can
practice at the club with semiautomatics and assault weapons.

O'Toole also rejected GOAL's claims that the law's listing of specific assault
weapons that require special permits was too vague.

Halbrook had argued that some owners may be carrying the weapons without
even knowing it.

``Here we have a law that has harsh felony penalties for violation and there's no
requirement that the state has to prove you even knew the nature of what you
possessed - namely, that it was a so-called large capacity or assault weapon,''
said Halbrook.

DeAngelo couldn't be reached for comment yesterday.

Sen. Cheryl Jacques (D-Needham), the bill's chief Senate sponsor, called the
ruling ``a clear signal to the gun lobby that these common-sense gun control laws
are here to stay.

``This law succeeded in the court of public opinion. It succeeded in the Great and
General Court. It succeeded in the Mass. state courts and it has now succeeded in
the federal court.''

GOAL may appeal the decision, Halbrook said.

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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
BTW, this law does not affect Law Enforcement's use of "human" replica targets for training.

In my opinion, GOAL blew it here. The way to fight this was to show that Law Enforcement uses "human" targets for training, and because it is still legal to protect your life by shooting a person trying to kill you, you should be able to train for that scenario.

This 1st Amendment argument is misguided, IMNSHO.

Oh, well... gun owners in Massachusetts are the Energizer Bunny, we just keep going on and on and on and on...

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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/276/region/Suit_challenging_constitutiona:.shtml

Suit challenging constitutionality
of gun control laws dismissed

By Associated Press, 10/2/2000 21:21

BOSTON (AP) A lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of
the state's Gun Control Act was dismissed Monday by a U.S.
District Court judge.

A group of gunowners had filed the lawsuit in federal court in
1998, when the law was first enacted, claiming the new
regulations too vague to understand and too obscure to
enforce.

But a U.S. District Court judge disagreed and dismissed the
lawsuit, saying it had no legal merit.

''This is a major victory for common sense and for the
overwhelming majority of Massachusetts residents who
support our state's toughest-in-the-nation gun laws,'' said
state Sen. Cheryl Jacques, D-Needham. ''Now our laws can
continue to be a model for other states to adopt, because the
states will know the laws will be upheld in court.''

The law prohibits the possession or sale of ''large-capacity''
weapons those able to carry more than 10 rounds made after
September 1994.

Prospective gun owners are now required to go through
firearms training, gun owners need to be relicensed frequently
and pay higher licensing fees. The law also requires gunowners
to do more to keep their weapons from getting into the hands of
children.

The suit claimed the law is vague in its definition of ''large
capacity firearms'' and in references to the number of shells a
gun can carry. The suit also said the prohibition against
''furnishing'' certain weapons to people under 21 was unclear.

Michael Yacino, executive director of the Gun Owners' Action
League, one of the main plaintiffs in the suit, did not
immediately return phone calls.

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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
Why do I still live here (MA)????

At least I do have a class "A" all lawful purposes LTC. But still......

I might move to CT, but keep my residance here so as to keep my MA Permit as it easier (so I'm told) to get a non resident permit there than here. To bad I'm not moving to VT!

Chris
 
When I first started shooting at the NRA's range in Fairfax, Virginia I stapled one of my color "human" targets to the cardboard backer and prepared to send it down the rail. I was promptly informed the the NRA range does not allow the use of "human targets," however silhouettes are fine. Maybe they just only allow NRA-endorsed targets. Go figure.
 
USP45:

The article you reprinted says:

"The law prohibits the possession or sale of ''large-capacity'' weapons those able to carry more than 10 rounds made after September 1994. "

As far as I know, that is not correct at all. Should we start writing to the editor for a fix or is it even worthwhile.

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"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seeknot your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
 
Dark Avenger,

I'm not sure. I think the law does indeed prohibit the possession of Standard Capacity weaponry manufactured after 1994 (e.g. the USP 45 full size, no standard capacity magazines are legal for it.)

:confused:




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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998
 
If MA is the model for the rest of the nation, God help us. Is it okay to practice stabbing human image targets? Can you burn them? Is it legal to shoot at a picture of Hillary, since she's not human?

And imagine being "allowed" to practice at the range with semiautomatics and "assault weapons." Wait a minute. Are they now further categorizing guns by delineating between "AW's" and regular semiautos?

*#&%(@#*$&( idiots.

Dick
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