Is anyone familiar with this weapon? I like the exotic firearms and this one definitely looks different. It lists for $700 with 3 original 30 round GI mags and a loading tool. I have never heard of Valkyrie Arms and wonder if this is just another "junk gun" imitation or a good reliable gun? Also, is this considered a rifle or pistol? Thanks.
M3A1 Grease Gun by Valkyrie Arms
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glockjeeper
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Grease Gun...
I saw the ad in Shotgun News. You know what that is don't you, thats the Grease Gun submachine gun in .45ACP from WWII. It was called the grease gun because of how it looked. Its not exactly new. It was the U.S. answer the the British Sten gun in 9mm. It was also to replace the Thompson because it was easier to produce and a heck of alot lighter. Decent for what it was originally made for, but as a semi, long barreled, fixed stock....maybe as a collector piece? It was also originally open bolt in design, as I noticed that this one is closed bolt. They were used until just recently. I had a buddy that was a tanker in the Army awhile back and he said they still had some in their armory.
I saw the ad in Shotgun News. You know what that is don't you, thats the Grease Gun submachine gun in .45ACP from WWII. It was called the grease gun because of how it looked. Its not exactly new. It was the U.S. answer the the British Sten gun in 9mm. It was also to replace the Thompson because it was easier to produce and a heck of alot lighter. Decent for what it was originally made for, but as a semi, long barreled, fixed stock....maybe as a collector piece? It was also originally open bolt in design, as I noticed that this one is closed bolt. They were used until just recently. I had a buddy that was a tanker in the Army awhile back and he said they still had some in their armory.
A friend has one of them, I would not sink any of my hard earned money into one of them. The dustcover just flops around, no way to latch it in place since the makers did not copy the cover of the M-3. It fires from a closed bolt while the M-3 was/is an open bolt gun, they had to make it a closed bolt gun to get ATF permission to make it. I do't think that many of the M-3 parts will work in the semi version so you would be really dependant on teh maker to 1: stay in business and 2: offer spare parts.
Ed Brunner
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M3
The original M3 fired from an open bolt. No firing pin or safety. The bolt had a "lump" on the face that struck the primer. The breech had a trapdoor that would close only with the bolt to the rear and had an angled protrusion that then held the bolt open as long as the door remained closed.
A neat little handheld bullet launcher.
The original M3 fired from an open bolt. No firing pin or safety. The bolt had a "lump" on the face that struck the primer. The breech had a trapdoor that would close only with the bolt to the rear and had an angled protrusion that then held the bolt open as long as the door remained closed.
A neat little handheld bullet launcher.
I wouldn't spend any money on a cheap copy. It was intended as a cheap, easy to make (stamped parts) gun to begin with.
The M3 was designed and adopted early in WWII, and a few changes were made to make it the M3A1. Replaced the Thompson as standard SMG 1944-1945. Books all say based on a study of the Sten gun, but looks a lot like the German Schmeisser.
The M3 was designed and adopted early in WWII, and a few changes were made to make it the M3A1. Replaced the Thompson as standard SMG 1944-1945. Books all say based on a study of the Sten gun, but looks a lot like the German Schmeisser.
$700.00+ for an M3? You have got to be kidding...
Why waste $700.00+ on a relic that is detuned in the extreme when you can have a MUCH more practical toy for about $250.00?
The Carbine Conversion Unit (CCU) attaches to any modern 1911 type frame, and I believe that it is now available for Glocks, Brownings and Berettas as well.
It comes in a variety of calibers: .45, 9mm, .40, 10mm etc.
It turns your pistol frame into a nearly recoiless pistol caliber carbine.
A couple of my buddies have them, and they are like shooting a big pogo stick. Lots of fun. Stainless barrel, bolt stays open on last round, and easy scope attachment.
I intend to get one (eventually, after all of my other current project guns are done) for my Para P14 frame, which is now languishing unused due to its large size and concealment problems on my scrawny form.
Quite cool for the money, and I would certainly rather have one of these than a quasi-dewat M3 even if the M3 were $500.00 less than it is.
Great truck gun. Easy to suppress if such is legal in your state. Cheap to shoot. Magazine commonality with your other pistols. Pistol frame can be turned back into a pistol in about five minutes.
There are other threads about the CCU on this Forum. Try a search.
Why waste $700.00+ on a relic that is detuned in the extreme when you can have a MUCH more practical toy for about $250.00?
The Carbine Conversion Unit (CCU) attaches to any modern 1911 type frame, and I believe that it is now available for Glocks, Brownings and Berettas as well.
It comes in a variety of calibers: .45, 9mm, .40, 10mm etc.
It turns your pistol frame into a nearly recoiless pistol caliber carbine.
A couple of my buddies have them, and they are like shooting a big pogo stick. Lots of fun. Stainless barrel, bolt stays open on last round, and easy scope attachment.
I intend to get one (eventually, after all of my other current project guns are done) for my Para P14 frame, which is now languishing unused due to its large size and concealment problems on my scrawny form.
Quite cool for the money, and I would certainly rather have one of these than a quasi-dewat M3 even if the M3 were $500.00 less than it is.
Great truck gun. Easy to suppress if such is legal in your state. Cheap to shoot. Magazine commonality with your other pistols. Pistol frame can be turned back into a pistol in about five minutes.
There are other threads about the CCU on this Forum. Try a search.
also IIRC the original M3 came full-auto only, semi-auto fire was possible depending on how good you were with the trigger.
I like MD's suggestion of the CCU if you need/want a carbine-length .45, provided you have a 1911. Has a high exotic/coolness-looking factor too.
If you don't have a 1911, use the $700+ to get a couple of them first.
-ric
I like MD's suggestion of the CCU if you need/want a carbine-length .45, provided you have a 1911. Has a high exotic/coolness-looking factor too.
If you don't have a 1911, use the $700+ to get a couple of them first.
-ric
.....still current issue
The M3A1 "Grease Gun" is still current issue, at least it was up into the mid 80's when I was at Ft. Hood. I even got to shoot half a clip thru one on a weapons familiarization range.... crude but effective. In therory they were issued to armor crewmen. The TO&E at the time showed every M1 & M60 tank with three (IIRC). In practice I don't think they left the armoury much, I wasn't a tanker but I never saw one during feild exercises, maybe because there was no blank firing adapter for them. -- Kernel
The M3A1 "Grease Gun" is still current issue, at least it was up into the mid 80's when I was at Ft. Hood. I even got to shoot half a clip thru one on a weapons familiarization range.... crude but effective. In therory they were issued to armor crewmen. The TO&E at the time showed every M1 & M60 tank with three (IIRC). In practice I don't think they left the armoury much, I wasn't a tanker but I never saw one during feild exercises, maybe because there was no blank firing adapter for them. -- Kernel
Back when the M3A1 Grease gun was the standard issue submachine gun they cost $11.85. I know that because most sodiers who were issued one for them to use inactual combat promply "lost it" and paid the $11.85 on a statement of charges so that they could get an M1 Garand rifle or an M2 Carbine.
They were a poor excuse for a weapon then and a modern copy is not going to be any better!
They were a poor excuse for a weapon then and a modern copy is not going to be any better!