M1A/bolt combo

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357B

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What 2 rifle combination would you choose? These would be a MBR/Sniper combo
i.e.,
Defensive weapon/hunting combo.

1. M1A Standard and a 308 bolt like the REM 700/Savage FP10 w/ 22"-24" Barrel.

2. M1A Scout and a 308 bolt like the REM 700/Savage FP10 w/ 22"-24" Barrel.

1. M1A Standard and a 30/06 bolt like the REM 700/Savage FP10 w/ 22"-24" Barrel.

2. M1A Scout and a 30/06 bolt like the REM 700/Savage FP10 w/ 22"-24" Barrel.

I do not have and semi 308 or any type of bolt gun.

I do have .22lr .223 .38/.357 20ga
and I will get eventually get 12ga .45acp .9MM and 7.62 x 39

But first the 308 semi and a 308/3006 bolt. I am thinking I should go ahead and get the bolt in
3006 just to have the ability to shoot that round. But I've heard it's best to have a team
paired up with weapons of the same caliber in regards to the MBR/sniper roll.

I don't want to buy two bolt guns - one in 3006 and one in 308 - so suggesting this will not
help me choose.

With Best Regards,

357B
 
I don't care what scenario you envision; you'll be far better off with a decent bolt-action rifle and none of the other stuff. That way, for the next forty or fity years, you can have a good time deer hunting and not have a bunch of money tied up in some stuff where the odds are 1,000:1 against a need.

I'm partial to a .30-'06, because it is so versatile for a reloader who shoots in various disciplines. I've been an afficionado of that cartridge for some fifty years, now.

If I wanted a one-gun do-it-all cartridge, however, starting out today, I'd probably choose the 7mm-08. I'd probably put a K4 on it, and the best trigger I could afford.

I'd quit worrying about other long guns in the "battery", and spend the money on ammo for practice away from the benchrest. When I got where I could hit beer cans at 100 yards, offhand, 9 out of 10 times, I'd be as happy as anybody could ever want.

Regards, Art
 
The bolt is better suited to the Sniper role, but that assumes that if he is in very hostile territory, that he also has a very light semi auto/auto on his back, as well as a spotter with an accurate semi-auto. If it's a one man operation and you don't want to carry the extra gun, then the M1A may be a better choice, as they are accurate enough, plus they have a better "boarder-repelling" capability. The M1A simply spans the gap.

PS, I'm no expert, and I'm likely to get flamed. This just seems to make sense to me.

[This message has been edited by Frontsight! (edited October 12, 2000).]
 
Art - Thanks, but you didn't answer the question. Of the choices I provided, which would you choose and why? I've noticed that most all forums have the same theme going which is to get off track. Which is cool because I have learned many things because of this. However, I usually ask specific questions and am looking for specific answers and so I don't mind coming back as saying "thanks guys, but you didn't answer my question." So please don't take offense as I am just working with the forum the way the forum neeeds to be worked in order to get the information I am looking for.

No flames here Frontsite. However, the question has not been answered. I want 2 guns. An M1a and a bolt gun. Of the choices I provided, which would you choose and why?

With best Regards,

357B
 
1. M1A Standard and a 308 bolt like the REM 700/Savage FP10 w/ 22"-24" Barrel.

Since I firmly believe 357B is a federal agent taking a poll of our firearms, I will state only this. If I had guns, which I don't because they scare me cause they make loud mean noises, I would have a M1A National Match and also a Rem 700 VS in .308 with a Leupold 6.5x20 50mm LRT scope.

If I had these guns, which I don't because guns kill innocent children, I would think I would really enjoy loading up the same rounds for both my .308's. I would think it would be very enjoyable to shoot national match courses with the M1A adn shoot all sorts of game, silloute, and 100 yard courses with the Rem 700.

If I had these mass weapons of destruction, which I don't because that would give me a 659 times more likely chance of shooting myself or a loved one, I think they would utilize the roll that 357B has proposed, a MBR/sniper combo. But like Art has proposed, the situation is unlikely. Therefor I would purchase these two weapons simply with the motivation that they are a lot of fun to shoot and some of the finest firearms ever made, that is, I have heard that because of course, I would never allow those weapons in my house.

So in short, get you an M1A standard, but that most likely will be a loaded rifle with the national match barrel and other goodies, and then buy a Rem 700 VS in .308. Put the best damn scope you can on the Rem 700 and then enjoy being the envy of all of your friend. This of course is my completely uneducated opinion because I of course don't own a firearm.

[This message has been edited by El Rojo (edited October 12, 2000).]
 
El Rojo, What a freak, dude! A Fed, Huh? I have never asked anyone whta weapons they own. If your so paranoid why would you even get on a BBS and talk about weapons in the first place? You do know that you IP address is like a finger print don't you? If your dial-up provider was issued a search warrant then the you and evrything you have ever posted or looked at will be know.

Really Rojo, what a freak. So, how do you interpret "...which 2 guns?" into he's a BATF agent keeping track of our weapons?

Next time, break the prozacs in half!

357B
 
I am a little disappointed in your labeling of others. You should reserve such labels for the playground.

As you will notice, you don't have to ask people, "What guns do you have?" You feds are too smart for that. You say, "What kind of gun combo should I get?" Then people like FrontSight come on and say, "I have a M1A standard and bolt combo." There you go, Frontsights firearms are now as good as registered.

So go on in bliss thinking your government does not monitor the Firing Line and of course they are not keeping track of your Internet acitivities. Label those who speak the truth as freaks and assume all is good.

Instead of freak, paranoid would have been a much better title. It is simple and to the point without being insulting.

And on to the real point, you should have picked up on the extreme sarcasim I was using in my post. Note the references to guns being scary, killers, and bad for you in general. Most left wing liberals do not hang out at TFL. I was simply being very sarcastic about certain individuals who actually will not discuss what kind of firearms they have on TFL because they actually think the Feds are monitoring this. Are they freaks? Is that too far for the Feds? I am not going to assume anything, however, I really don't care. If they want to know, they will figure it out.

I suggest you go watch "Enemy of the State" 357B. Half of that movie is Hollywood, the other half is true. Which half?

On to lighter subjects, I was just kidding about the whole fed and paranoia thing. Sorry you didn't catch on and that you had to resort to name calling.

[This message has been edited by El Rojo (edited October 12, 2000).]
 
It seems to me that a battle rifle is for offensive use, more than defensive. To me, this then means more than just myself--or just me with one or two others. If I am essentially alone, with at most one or two others, I see the use of a rifle as a relatively long-range defensive weapon. I would never plan, then, on a "hold at all costs"; I would assume shoot and scoot. Cover and retreat, in classic guerilla fashion.

So, my primary interest is a bolt-action rifle. I'm a handloader, so I'll stay with the .30-'06. If I weren't, I'd go with the .308.

If I were to ever function as a sniper, I will still stay with a bolt-action; I assume I would shoot and scoot. One shot; at most two, and then gone bye-bye.

From the above reasoning, I'd just stay with my present hunting rifle in '06. If I need self defense at close range, I'll use a handgun. My preference there is a 1911; probably in 10mm.

In summary, I see this as following the KISS principle.

As usual, Art
 
El Rojo---a friendly point of order here. After myself and others had given a short dissertation on 357B's topic, 357B let us know that we had not "answered his question." I said, "I'D have a standard and a .308 bolt" not "I have a standard and a .308 bolt." I answered his question, just like he asked. I never said that's what I have, buut given the criteria, that's what I'd choose. If the fed's come looking, they're in for a surprise if they're looking for those guns.

No flames to anyone, but as of this time, I am the only one to answer 357B's question the way he wants it.

[This message has been edited by Frontsight! (edited October 13, 2000).]
 
I take great offense, I did answer the question. I said I would go for option 1, the M1A standard and rem 700. I added I would make it a M1A national match since that is easily obtainable with the "loaded option" that Springfield offers for the same price as a standard. Then I said go for the Rem 700 VS in .308 and put the best scope possible on it.

Then I commented that despite the very improbable chance that these two tools will ever be used in a shoot out role, the best reason to have both is for 1) National Match shoots, 2) hunting, 3) Silloute (not right spelling), and 4) Long range shooting. Oh what fun all of those activities are, at least that is what I heard since I of course don't own firearms ;). And to add to that, you will be the envy of all of your friends!

And I admit, I thought Frontsight said, "I" but in fact he said "I'd". Sorry, 357B, you might want to take him off the confirmed list and add him to the probable. *g* But, you do know he said they be in for a suprise if they came looking for THOSE guns. That means you can safely assume you will only find Browning M2 .50, Self Propelled 155mm howetizers, and a Iowa class battleship complete with 16 inch guns floating in his backyard pool. Please add Frontsight to the high priority watch list now. You can't trick Big Brother Frontsight!!!
 
Thanks everyone.

I could have been more clear and mentioned that there would be two shooters! Sorry! So lets try this again (if you're all not sick of me yet! If you are then I can't complain if the very next new topic is "357B: Is this guy a D!@K or what?")

The scenario:
Two people, one rifle each, an MIA (for back-up) and a bolt gun (doing the dirty work). They are taking out the enemy 1-2 at a time from away, then bailing out for a couple of days, then they do it again.

These two people will undoubtably run into urban gun fights, so the M1A Scout may come in handy due to its shorter barrel. It fair to say that these people would each have a hand gun, too.

In this situation, which MIA and which bolt gun would you choose?

357B

[This message has been edited by 357B (edited October 13, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by 357B (edited October 13, 2000).]
 
El Rojo...sorry for not noticing that you answered the question. BTW, I've been on the "watch list" for a long time. Ever since I bought that howitzer.

357B, Read "Marine Sniper" that's will explain a lot. I still believe the M1A std. and the .308 bolt would be best. That way both shooters can swap ammo, just in case....also, trajectories should be very similar, and therefore familiar to both shooters. If you've ever hunted much with partners, you know how you'll sometimes find yourself with another guy's gun and he with yours...having the same caliber makes hits easier.

[This message has been edited by Frontsight! (edited October 13, 2000).]
 
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