M1 Carbine "Pouch"
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grendelbane
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That is indeed interesting! It is not for the .30 Carbine round, though the velocity listed is very close to that. The carbine round didn't come along for almost another quarter century.
It might have been a portion of a bandoleer for .30-40 Krag cartridges. They were still being loaded at that date, I understand. (In military bandoleers, I mean). At least, I have seen one such bandoleer in a collection.
The 1966 velocity seems to be consistent with what I remember of the old .30-40 Krag ballistics.
Definitely not .30-06, either full power or gallery load, as one is too low, and the other is too high. Too high for .30 Pedersen also.
So my vote is it is a remnant of a bandoleer of old Krag cartridges.
It might have been a portion of a bandoleer for .30-40 Krag cartridges. They were still being loaded at that date, I understand. (In military bandoleers, I mean). At least, I have seen one such bandoleer in a collection.
The 1966 velocity seems to be consistent with what I remember of the old .30-40 Krag ballistics.
Definitely not .30-06, either full power or gallery load, as one is too low, and the other is too high. Too high for .30 Pedersen also.
So my vote is it is a remnant of a bandoleer of old Krag cartridges.
You know what, that actually makes sense. There were a number of different types of old ammo in the box where I found this. I'll probably have to post pics of the ammo because I'm not exactly sure how to identify most of them. The headstamps don't help much, I think they are mostly military rounds???
SilentHitz
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pics would be kewl Sixer, I love it when people find stashes of old wartime stuff.
Catridge IDs
Using the big photo: Left to right .30/06 Springfield, .30/40 Krag (aka .30 Army), .30M1 Carbine, .357 Magnum (with metal piercing bullet), .44/40 (aka .44WCF), .45ACP, .30 Luger, (aka 7.65 Parabellum), .380 Rimfire, .25 ACP, .22 Long Rifle, .22 Short, & (possibly) .22 CB?
Using the big photo: Left to right .30/06 Springfield, .30/40 Krag (aka .30 Army), .30M1 Carbine, .357 Magnum (with metal piercing bullet), .44/40 (aka .44WCF), .45ACP, .30 Luger, (aka 7.65 Parabellum), .380 Rimfire, .25 ACP, .22 Long Rifle, .22 Short, & (possibly) .22 CB?
SilentHitz
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Right you are...still got a few of those around here somewhere.
FYI
The .45 Auto round you have EC 43 is loaded in a steel case. I had some of these rounds a long time ago. This was only done in 1943 (to save brass), and I would think that now they are rather collectible.
The cloth pouch is very interesting, especially the 1917 date. The 1966fps is too low for the .30-40 Krag (.30USA) which should be 2200fps for the 220gr bullet, and the date puts it decades before the .30 Carbine round. The only known round in that era and power range is the .30 Pedersen. I do not know what the specs for that one were, but I would assume something close to the .30 carbine, perhaps a bit less.
If your pouch was made to hold Pedersen rounds, that makes it a ver rare thing indeed.
The .45 Auto round you have EC 43 is loaded in a steel case. I had some of these rounds a long time ago. This was only done in 1943 (to save brass), and I would think that now they are rather collectible.
The cloth pouch is very interesting, especially the 1917 date. The 1966fps is too low for the .30-40 Krag (.30USA) which should be 2200fps for the 220gr bullet, and the date puts it decades before the .30 Carbine round. The only known round in that era and power range is the .30 Pedersen. I do not know what the specs for that one were, but I would assume something close to the .30 carbine, perhaps a bit less.
If your pouch was made to hold Pedersen rounds, that makes it a ver rare thing indeed.