My shop has a couple of these guns. They are quite a handy size. Are they a true rifle? Are they a good 100yrd or closer gun? The guy at the shop said M1 rounds can defeat some bosy armor,so it is like an intermidate power round. Is this the case? They are$425 or so,is this to much? Are 15 and 30 round mags widely available for these guns?Thanks for any help,45automan
M1 carbine,is it a rifle or not? Should I buy one?
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If you consider the Marlin Camp Carbine or the Ruger whateveritis in .40 *&* to be rifles, then the .30 Carbine is also a "rifle."
I say not. It is the equivalent of a pistol-caliber carbine, on the upper end of that power scale, but way low on the "rifle" and "carbine" power scales, even restricting the inquiry to the intermediate power cartridges.
Most are reasonably accurate and shoot quite well to 100 yards. At 200 yards, the wind blows that light, blunt bullet about a LOT. At 300 yards, your're fighting trajectory and range estimation as well as the wind.
But, they are very fun tin can guns. Some people have reportedly hunted deer with them, but that's strictly a 100-yard proposition. It's only equivalent to .357 Magnum power.
I say not. It is the equivalent of a pistol-caliber carbine, on the upper end of that power scale, but way low on the "rifle" and "carbine" power scales, even restricting the inquiry to the intermediate power cartridges.
Most are reasonably accurate and shoot quite well to 100 yards. At 200 yards, the wind blows that light, blunt bullet about a LOT. At 300 yards, your're fighting trajectory and range estimation as well as the wind.
But, they are very fun tin can guns. Some people have reportedly hunted deer with them, but that's strictly a 100-yard proposition. It's only equivalent to .357 Magnum power.
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
I think everyone should have one.
They are easy to make hits with and quite handy. They may not hit like a .308 - but thats not needed for what it is.
I am wanting to add one to my collection one of these days.
They are easy to make hits with and quite handy. They may not hit like a .308 - but thats not needed for what it is.
I am wanting to add one to my collection one of these days.
I fired mine after a shotgun class and got laughed at. A 110gr bullet isn't nearly as impressive as a 450gr one...but I fired 30 rounds and hit 25 bowling pins at ranges of 30-60 yards whereas much better shotgunners than I were hardly getting 1 in 5 rounds on target. M1 carbine is light, accurate at ranges up to 100m, has an extremely simpple manual of arms, doesn't kick, is reliable and basically makes a lovely close-range tool. I'd pick one over a 9mm submachine gun for close-range fighting. Ammo isn't cheap ($9/50 ball) but 15rd magazines are (under $5). Good sights. I bought one for historic and curiosity value and ended up keeping it as my house gun in preference to an AR15 and the Garand. Eventually, I started using a Mak90 in that capacity for the extra penetration but the Mak is clumsier.
Art Eatman
Staff in Memoriam
45automan, a carbine is a rifle, essentially, except with a shorter barrel. Carbines, typically, have barrels around 18" long or less. Rifles, typically, have barrels around 20" long or more. The particular cartridge has nothing to do with the designation.
The velocity is about the same as for a .357 with the same weight of bullet. So, reasonably good social gun for around the house.
Fun little critters.
, Art
The velocity is about the same as for a .357 with the same weight of bullet. So, reasonably good social gun for around the house.
Fun little critters.
, Art
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KilgorII
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Art Eatman:
Carbines, typically, have barrels around 18" long or less. Rifles, typically, have barrels around 20" long or more. [/quote]
So what's a 19" barreled gun called?
Carbines, typically, have barrels around 18" long or less. Rifles, typically, have barrels around 20" long or more. [/quote]
So what's a 19" barreled gun called?
The following is what I have read: The M1 30cal rd has about the same power as a 38spl+P. Many GIs in WW2 and Korea complained about their lack of stopping power. I doubt they will defeat many types of vests. I have owned a few and enjoyed shooting them. Check out the IMI rebuilds currently out there if you are interested. Also the folding stock paratrooper types bring premium prices.
An M1 Carbine develops a muzzle energy of about 977 fpe. That's considerably more than a .38 +P. It requires training and discipline to use just like any other weapon. Sometimes soldiers spray their bullets around and complain the enemy wasn't stopped. Merrill's Mauraders used the carbine during their "adventures" in Japanese territory. They did well with them because they were highly trained.