Loss of Liberity Warning--Sneak Move by FedGov Creates Fingerprint ID DriverS License

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1. Re: I.D. for job $ driver's lic.
From: ron3817@webtv.net


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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 15:32:44 -0500 (EST)
From: ron3817@webtv.net
Subject: Re: I.D. for job $ driver's lic.

What follows is one of the most disturbing stories I have ever done in
my
11 years as your editor. (American Sentinel). Please pay close attention
to
the information contained in this lead story. At its conclusion, I offer
an
effective "Action Plan" for each reader to take in their own state.
Buried
at approximately page 650 of a national defense bill (HR 3610, passed by
370 votes in the House of Representatives, September 28, 1996, each
states'
department of motor vehicles will require fingerprints (or other form of
"biometric" identification) as a condition of obtaining a driver's
license,
no later than October 1, 2000.
STATE FINGERPRINTING OF DRIVERS IS DIRECTED FROM WASHINGTON Universal
fingerprint program hidden from public view Road to Serfdom?
It's no accident that universal fingerprinting is being imposed by the
central authorities through state departments of motor vehicles (DMV).
(Backers of universal fingerprinting fear a national backlash, should
plans
for its implementation become public knowledge.) By making it appear
fingerprinting drivers is a state DMV decision, instead of a federal
mandate, the perpetrators this assault on the Constitution enjoy
enormous
political cover. Already, several states (Texas, Colorado, Georgia and
California) have implemented a requirement that all drivers submit
fingerprinting. In most cases, the above-mentioned state legislators are
complying with a federal fingerprint pilot program. Details on how this
came about and what it means to YOU follow: State DMV's are quietly
implementing federal fingerprint decree Section 656 of HR 3610 states
that "after October 1, 2000, Federal agencies
may only accept as proof of identity driver's licenses that conform to
the
standard developed by the Secretary of the Treasury," after consultation
with the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA).
Section 326 and 327 of the law provide $5 million per year to states
participating in any of the three federal pilot program requiring
"biometric" identification (i.e., confirmed through fingerprint, voice
analysis or retina pattern) of drivers. The AAMVA has repeatedly
testified
that it strongly favors the fingerprinting option. (Pull out and check
your
own driver's license; 22 states have quietly added a magnetic strip in
preparation to transmit YOUR "biometric" data to the national registry
now
being developed.)
Revealed: The perpetrators of this national fingerprint mandate
The last thing that the authors of the emerging national ID want is
debate
and discussion. It began on May 10, 1995, at a hearing held by the
Senate
Subcommittee on Immigration entitled "Verification of Applicant Identity
for the Purposes of Employment and Public Assistance." The hearing was
chaired by former Senator ALAN SIMPSON (R-WY) and attended by Senators
TEDDY KENNEDY (D-MA), DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D-CA) and JOHN KYLE (R-AZ). It
was
from this hearing that FEINSTEIN telegraphed federal intentions to
impose a
nation identity system. In remarks made on May 10, SIMPSON added: "I was
just saying to Ted (Kennedy) before he left, a hearing like
this fifteen years ago, would have torn the building down. And here we
are
today, kind of sitting around and no media, no nothing. This is fine
with
me. I get tired of them on this issue."
Federal fingerprint mandate is carefully camouflaged Section 656 of Hr
3610
mandating universal fingerprints which originally sprang from the
"Illegal
Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act," signed by BILL
CLINTON in September 1996. Its provisions overlapped federal tracking
system to identify and deny employment to deadbeat dads. Enabling
legislation to provide a universal, federally accepted I.D. was rolled
into
the national defense bill, HR 3610 (roll call vote #455). In an
interview
with MICHAEL MYERS of the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration, he
acknowledged that now-departed SIMPSON staffer CHIP WOOD inserted
section
656, to create a federal fingerprint pilot program through state DMV's.
MYERS declined to identify the remaining staffers responsible for
slipping
section 656 into the defense appropriations bill.
Justice Department refuses to disclose details of fingerprint program My
research assistant SHANNON MUNZE made repeated calls to the Justice
Department, seeking details on the administration of the section 656
"Machine Readable Document Pilot (fingerprint) program." She spoke with
Justice attorney MICHAEL HUGHES, who acknowledged the existence of the
initiative, but informed us that any information concerning its
operational
details are not available to the Public (we're now proceeding on a FOIA
request).
If universal fingerprinting is such a good idea, why the deception? This
story was difficult to unearth because there is no one piece of
legislation declaring "we have a national I.D.!" First, the central
government is directing states to make all drivers' licenses "federally"
compatible, through biometric identification (i.e. fingerprints, etc.).
It's all to accommodate separate legislation requiring instant
background
checks on new employees in the private sector. (Some Republicans cheer
this
intrusion, because the new generation of federally-approved state
driver's
licenses will give Washington the power to enforce severe sanctions
against
deadbeat dads, tax cheats and other "undesirables.") These tamper-proof
IDs
will also be required to use credit cards and write checks (part of the
government's "antifraud" campaign). The upshot is this: Under new
immigration and "deadbeat dad" sanction laws. You will be denied
employment
without a federally-approved biometric driver's license after October 1,
2000! Not even the Nazis attained this kind of power. Why you must help
fight the national ID
In early test states such as Georgia, imposition of the central
government's fingerprint decree was so well camouflaged that local
activists were unable to mobilize against it in time. (Activists in
Alabama
thwarted the fingerprint scheme.) Here's what YOU can do to defeat this
threat to our liberties:
First-Action-to Take: Contact DMV. Ask the responsible official if your
state DMV has plans or is considering proposals to require "Biometric"
identification for future driver's licenses - - specifically
fingerprinting. Insist on a written response and forward their replies
to
me.
Second Action-to Take: Contact your state legislator and Senator's
office
to express strong disapproval of any program to force driver's to submit
to
biometric identification, particularly fingerprinting. Mention to your
legislator that in other states, driver's license fingerprint
requirements
have slipped through without the knowledge of elected officials. Get
their
position on this and extract a promise of vigilance from your state
representative.
Third Action-to-Take:
My special thanks to CYNDEE PARKER
of the National Coalition to Repeal the Fingerprint Law. Their hotline
is 404-250-8105
website address is: www.mcwebs.com/repeal/ or e-mail at
robertabob@mindspring.com.
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RON


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I don't recall the year but the state of Misouri (the ballot fraud state) changed from a coded number to requring all residents use thier SSN for their DL number. The next time I went to renew my license I refused and was told I would be deined a DL. After much arguement I was eventually given a new license with my old coded number. The state has since changed the policy and the license bureaus now have signs posted stating that one may use their old coded number if they do not wish to use their SSN.

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Gunslinger

We live in a time in which attitudes and deeds once respected as courageous and honorable are now scorned as being antiquated and subversive.
 
"I really don't know what happened to the magnetic strip on my DL. You mean the machine really won't read it?"

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"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36
"An armed society is a polite society."
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I am very concerned about all of this fingerprinting, but what is a person to do.

If we get a CCW we have to be fingerprinted, would a DL make it any worse?

My daughter, who used to work at a church daycare center, had to be finger printed by the church (for state requirements) before she could change baby diapers.

I hate having to give up so many freedoms, but someone tell me who (meaning authority) is on our side.

Hate to say it but we (America) are headed down the road to total government control of our lives. It will take a number of years but remember a statement that was made in the early 60's.

We (government) will control America without ever firing a shot.

PS = am feeling down today, so someone reply with some positive news.
 
Ah, my link would not cooperate. On topic, this keeps getting closer & closer to the buy sell & trade thing dosen't it ? They track us like animals these days.

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Oct 1st 2000 is the same date that the DMV will start putting the SSN on our licenses. I don't know if it's electronically or by printing it on. I like magnets... and I like the fact that one of you refused and prevailed.

I was trying to give blood a month ago. The intake person ripped up my questionnaire when I refused to give her my SSN.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>"...You will be denied employment without a federally-approved biometric driver's license after October 1,2000! ..."[/quote]I do not have a problem being fingerprinted. It was done when I applied for my CCW and when I lived in NJ, every gun that you bought required a set of fingerprints (sometimes four sets) to be taken but what happens to people who do not know how to drive and the job that they are applying for does not require driving as one of the skills (say, a sales clerk, a janitor, a cook, a computer programmer, etc.)? I would think that this would cause some serious legal issues if these types of people who do not have a driver's license were denied employment.

I know of a couple of people who live in NYC who have never gotten a license because there's just no place to park a car (unless you spend $10, $20, etc., a day) and it's easier to get around by public transportation (isn't this what the government is always trying to push for cleaner air). I'm sure that in crowded cities, there are a lot of people like this and something like this would be unfair to them.

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Share what you know, learn what you don't -- FUD.

[This message has been edited by FUD (edited February 25, 2000).]
 
For now, Texas only requires thumbprints when you renew your drivers license. Darn it.

I love Wally World. If you place your wallet on the counter (by accident) the degaussing magnet that safes the anti-shoplifting devices will erase every magentic strip in your wallet. Bummer. I would imagine that any outlets about the same size as Wal-Mart would have the same devices in their counters. :D

Eelskin wallets will also eventually demagnetize your credit cards.

I don't know about y'all, but my Social Security number at Blockbuster's, Hasting's and the blood bank is: 123-45-6789. :D Dare 'em to call you a liar.

LawDog
 
LawDog,

I may be wrong about this (and someone correct me if I am) but according to the Privacy Act of 1974, the SSN is to be used for income verification only if requested by a non-government agency (blockbuster, etc.).

I had a big issue about this when it came to my employer. In order to get computer IDs (to do our job) a form had to be filled out which requested our SSN. I pointed out that they could only ask for my SSN to verify my income and since they were the ones paying me, they already had that information (payroll, obvious had my SSN so they could report my earnings). This went on for a couple of weeks with my boss threatening to fire me (no SSN, no login, no work). Until I explained to him that if he fired me for refusing to break the law, it wouldn't look too good for the company.
 
From this year:

Photo required on Driver's Licence

Police want compulsory DNA samples from anyone involved with them -- even a parking offence.

To be a teacher or daycare worker or anything else requires you to produce a Federal police clearance ($40 and a fortnight's wait).

Police State? No ... I live in Australia{/b]. (cynicism mode off).

B
 
FUD, regarding the SSN question, yes it is a violation of Federal Law to use the SSN for any purpose other than identification for tax purposes.

Matter-of-fact, I have one of the old cards that states this quite clearly. I'm given to understand that the newer cards do not state this on the front.

However, having argued with drones until I am blue in the face and having been tossed out of a few places, I have decided to simply tell whoever asks for the number that it is: 123-45-6789. :D

LawDog
 
A bunch of times I have had to give out SSAN (even after showing them the real card) to obtain loans or whatever. If I don't want it that bad, I tell 'em to pound sand.

My kids, when in school, had to have SSANs listed. Admin-types packed teh sand on that. We assigned some other as stupid number, but it wasn't their SSAN.

Magnets do mess up the strip coding, etc. I've quite a few VERY powerful magnets from my HDA ('puter hard drive) days that are very effective erasers. If nothing else, the drones'll have to pound the stuff in manually.

Just doing my part. ;)
 
And the sheep have been going along with all sorts of governmental and non governmental intrusion for years. They have literally pissed away their most precious possession INDIVIDUAL AND PERSONAL PRIVACY AND FREEDOM, in the name of bureaucratic efficiency, have you noticed any efficiency?

At this point, the die may already have been cast, BUT the only way to find out is for the general public to raise all sorts of hell over the antics of all those little cockroaches who operate in dark corners, starting with the chief roach in The White House, and going on from there.

What is really needed is for Capitol Hill to disappear beneath a pile of irate phone messages, snail mail, e-mail, smoke signals or whatever it might take. The question remaining is as follows, as I see it: Will the people bestir themselves from the likes of Just Shoot Me, The West Wing, March Madness or the upcoming baseball season's festivities long enough to do something.

Based on past performances, the picture looks dim, but even the rubber band eventually breaks. Maybe this one will too.
 
Alan, I agree 100% with your posting. Present company excluded, most people couldn't care less about freedom. Hell, they don't even know what the term really means, thanks to government schools. As long as they can watch their inane television shows, movies, and sporting events, they're just as happy as pigs in sh** (in fact, many Americans have started to resemble pigs, but that's another topic).

Americans are already under tyranny, albeit a relatively weak tyranny, but one which is consolidating its power and strengthening continually--they're (we're) just too ignorant to know it or care. Don't look for it to get any better folks, 'cause it ain't gonna happen. There may be small moments of false hope in the future, but the overall trend is toward more and more control by the powers that be. Any thinking person with some knowledge of history can see the truth in this.

I'm sorry if the negative statements above upset any of you, but I, unlike the vast majority of this country's people (ESPECIALLY politicians), call it as I see it, not as I'd like it to be. Enjoy today's freedoms (such as they are), because tomorrow's freedoms will be far and few between.
DAL

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LawDog said, "regarding the SSN question, yes it is a violation of Federal Law to use the SSN for any purpose other than identification for tax purposes."

So I've heard. Can anyone confirm this with chapter and article number? If so, I'm going to make a call to an orthodontist's office which uses SSNs to identify their patients. REALLY steamed me that they required it just for the free exam. Now if my child were getting thou$and$ of dollars worth of braces and they wanted to check our credit rating, ok, I can see the merit in that. But just to set up a file?? Office Manager wouldn't budge. Sadly, I caved in 'cause this guy had come so highly recommended, and picking an orthodontist scares me. He confirmed another orthodontist's recommendation and I did NOT go back to the SSN grabber. Got a follow-up call from them a couple of weeks ago and tried to explain that that's why I wouldn't go back to him. The polite gal on the phone was clueless.

Would really love to call and explain that dear Ms. Office Manager is breaking the law.

While we still have that law.

Oh, my, this is discouraging. :(

Now you tell me that they want SSN when donating blood??? I haven't donated blood in a long, long time and have been wanting to do so. Is asking for SSN standard Red Cross prodecure? Or just your local blood bank?

Will their computer freak out at the sight of several blood types with LawDog's SSN? :D -- Denise
 
Actually I think all the Gov't is doing is to clean up their own crap . I must give a thumb print as a Class A driver in CA or maybe it was all drivers . I don't know but that's not the point . The Gov't has given so much freedom and leniency to so many people that they are powerless to pull the baddies in on a short leash . The only alternative is to mistreat ALL people so no one group can complain . Take the Cop that used to stop cars on I-95 looking for drugs . He was using racial profiling and was INCREDIBLY effective . When it was proven that he was racially profiling HE became the law breaker . So what's a poor Gov't to do ? Oh me oh my . How about if we screw over EVERYBODY then there is no stereotyping . Even if we can see where the trouble is coming from . This is all it is .
Here in CA the Mexican prisoners complained that they didn't get salsa with their meals . They sued and said that to deny them salsa was cruel and unusual punishment . Prisoners can sue due to getting the wrong type of peanut butter . This is CRAP !!! But it is now legal and there is not much Uncle Sam can do to undo their previously generous actions without riots in the street and an avalanch of lawsuits that WE!!!!!! pay for . This is the old " If I hear one peep all of you will be in trouble " . Don't go after smartasses , go after "peeps" . The gov't can get more flak by denying one person rights wrongly afforded to those people or a group of people than to deny rights to ALL PEOPLE evenly . Screw one person and you are a bully . Screw everybody and you are a leader .

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sbryce,

Right now, I can't find the US Code governing Social Security Numbers.

However, a quick check at the Social Security Admin website http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10002.html
turned this up:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If a business or other enterprise asks you for your Social Security number, you can refuse
to give it to them. However, that may mean doing without the purchase or service for which
your number was requested. For example, utility companies and other services ask for a
Social Security number, but do not need it; they can do a credit check or identify the
person in their records by alternative means.

[Giving your number is voluntary, even when you are asked for the number directly. If
requested, you should ask why your number is needed, how your number will be used,
what law requires you to give your number and what the consequences are if you refuse.
The answers to these questions can help you decide if you want to
give your Social Security number. The decision is yours. [/quote]

Hope that helps. I'll keep researching the US code.

LawDog

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited February 27, 2000).]
 
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