Looking for a Coach gun for HD

milkman_89

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Ok so I've been reading and reading and have finally decided to just ask. What I'm looking for is a "Coach gun" type SG (18-20 inch barrel) with external hammers and ejectors.

Most everywhere I look they don't have ejectors, for Cowboy Shooting mainly

I've read other forums and a lot of people like the Stoeger Coach gun, but they don't have external hammers.
 
I am kind of curious as to what your reasons were for deciding on an old-style shotgun for HD. It doesn't seem like it lends itself to that role in this day and time. Don't get me wrong - I am a HUGE believer in shotguns for HD, but most people these days would select a repeater or autoloader.
 
They are very simple to operate, even under duress. They offer two very quick shots, and equivalent barrel length guns are shorter than a pump or semi
 
Rossi is a low buck gun brand. The Rossi coach ended importation in 1988 it seems so a used one is what you will find. I doubt they made them in stainless.
Brent
 
stroegers home defense shotgun is nice. gonna get myself one.it comes with a flashlight/laser mount. its called double cefense 21st century
 
main reason for external hammers is so that I can keep it loaded with the hammers down

thought about cutting down a long barrel, going to use that as a last resort
 
I am also enamored of the external hammer coach guns, but the more I think it through they do seem to present other problems. While you gain the advantage in storing the gun loaded but uncocked, you must cock both hammers to make the gun ready. Most guns (and the people who shoot them) cannot cock both hammers easily in one motion, meaning two separate actions. Most, if not all, have extractors, not ejectors, so even if you can flip the empties out quickly, you still have to load two chambers, close the action, cock two hammers and, in most cases, flip off the automatic safety.

With a hammerless coach gun, at least some of them, if you are concerned about the action being cocked, it is possible to drop the hammers on snap-caps, remove the forearm, replace the snap-caps with live shells, close it and replace the forearm, resulting in a loaded gun with an uncocked action. The gun must have rebounding internal hammers to do this. Then you merely have to break the gun open, close it and snick off the safety to make it ready. Faster than cocking two hammers, IMO. Reloading merely means dumping the spent shells, replacing them, closing the action and snicking off the safety since the action has been recocked by opening.

One can always de-activate the automatic safety making it manual and eliminating one step in both cases.

All in all, I personally would rather have a single-shot with a hammer and an ejector than an external-hammered coach gun with extractors. Better yet, is a good basic pump, IMO. :)
 
Thank you Laz, you brought up some very valid points that it didnt think about. From what you were saying about using a hammerless and taking off the forearm would you know any praticual models in mind?
 
Better yet, is a good basic pump, IMO.
I agree with Laz's statement here. Just buy a Mossberg pump action and be done with it.

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From what you were saying about using a hammerless and taking off the forearm would you know any praticual models in mind?

Well, I am not sure about Stoeger as I don't currently own one, but I don't believe it will work with a Stoeger. I have a Remington Spartan (Baikal) and it works fine. I got the idea from the owner's manual of a Beretta Silver Hawk where the method was recommended as a way to store the gun with chambers empty and hammers down. I just extended the logic and when removing the snap caps, replaced them with live shells. Since, as the schematic shows, the Baikal coach gun has rebounding internal hammers, it works because the firing pins are not extended when down. I have asked others if they can see something I am missing but have, so far, gotten no negative feedback. It seems safer than leaving the gun cocked and faster than leaving the gun unloaded. I do keep the gun laying on its side on a sturdy shelf where it is highly unlikely to fall.

Unfortunately, there is no one currently importing the Baikal and I am uncertain about the Stoeger or older, used Stevens, or other brands.
 
I must admit I find the worry about storing a SxS cocked a bit odd. How is it any worse than keeping a pump cocked? Is there a technical issue I am unaware of?
 
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