looking for a 22 pistol....

Which 22 option should I get?

  • Screw you and everything you said below, get the ruger or browning.

    Votes: 26 52.0%

  • Smith and Wesson M&P 22

    Votes: 4 8.0%

  • Smith and Wesson M&P 22c

    Votes: 6 12.0%

  • CZ Kadet kit

    Votes: 11 22.0%

  • Glock 19 22lr conversion

    Votes: 3 6.0%
  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
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Brando1992

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So I am looking for a 22 pistol to help me train with similar guns to what I carry daily and have spent the most time on.. A g19, smith and wesson shield, cz p07, cz sp01 tactical.

I am wanting to train with similar holsters and manual of arms to what I have and use. I obviously know that the manual of arms is different between the cz's and the striker fired guns.

So heres what ive boiled it down to so far.

Option 1 - I love the ruger mark 3 and 4 and the buckmark but they are so different than the guns I shoot often I don't think they will do what I'm wanting.

Option 2 - Smith and Wesson m&p 22. The full sized m&p 22 has a very similar feel, I love that it feels closer to my glock 19 size wise and has such good reviews online when it comes to reliability. negative is I would hav eto buy new holsters for it and I believe it would end up costing about $400 when all set and done (most options end up being right at $400)

Option 3 - Smith and wesson m&p 22 compact. A lot of the same advantages but closer to the size of my shield pistol. ( I guess its a good time to say that I carry the shield occasionally but mainly carry the glock 19 or p07). Disadvantage is the size, advantage is the size...

Option 4 - CZ Kadet Kit for my sp01. advantages are that it comes with 2 mags, will fit all the holsters that I already have for it and I hear its stupid accurate. Disadvantage is I dont carry it, its just my range toy and beside gun. another advantage is it would be using my cajun gun works pro kit trigger.

Option 5 - glock 19 conversion to 22. This is by far my favorite option if... I didn't hear so much about it not being reliable and extra mags being hard to find and expensive..

So what s yalls thoughts?
 
I would get the CZ and the Kadet since I am a Steel and Walnut man. I have the Ciener units for my Browning HP and Colt MK IV. I did not become a good pistol shot until I practiced Bullseye with my High Standard Victor, the conversion units let you practice with your carry gun.
 
I doubt that my opinion will be popular... but I'm okay with that.

I believe that ANY live fire handgun shooting helps, polishes, and develops shooting skill and gun handling skill.

I also thoroughly believe that live fire practice with a dedicated defensive carry gun is not well "replicated" with any sub-caliber "version" of the same model.

Furthermore... I don't see the quality and utility in those sub-caliber versions either.

THUS: I say a quality rimfire such as a Ruger Mk II or a Buckmark is definitely the way to go, all of the shooting with it will serve you well, will be more enjoyable and more painless than a sub-caliber tupperware model and the extra, lower cost trigger time will make you a better shooter.

No replacement for live fire with your actual carry gun.
 
I agree Sevens....but

Now that .22 ammo is available, mot as cheap as the good ol days, but cheaper than 9mm.
The key is to regularly practice with the 9 and your preferred carry ammo. We can often find ammo that is close enough to our preffered carry but is not too pricey.
It's a question of the $$$$, and I'd rather see more practice. Reloading is always an option but 9mm is a fussy and PITA round to reload. When I am done with a batch of 9mm I often ask ..why this was not worth it if I place any value at all on my time. 9mm white box is about the least expensive center fire round.
But .22 is still considerably less. Mix it up.
 
I have no struggle reloading 9mm and even using Xtreme plated 124's, I'm under $5.50 per box of 50, no tax and no looking for a sale. Not that this sidebar really matters to the topic -- I still say that rimfire shooting is total blast and will make you a better shooter but get a decent rimfire and skip the tupperware defense gun copies.
 
I chose a Ruger Mk III 22/45 Target because it feels, aims and shoots very much like my full size RIA 1911 "Rock" in 9mm. It's the perfect gun to practice with at a much lower cost. Actually, I bought the 22/45 first and it made me want a 1911.
 
I have four Ruger MK II's. Excellent, accurate, and reliable .22's. I also have a Kadet Kit that goes on both my 75B, and 75D PCR. Guess which ".22" comes with me to EVERY range trip?
 
I just bought the Ruger Mark IV 22/45 Lite and can't be happier. I bought it to replace my Mark III and to give the Mark III to my son.

I've fired over 3000 rounds in the past month testing a variety of ammo and have not had one failure to fire, load or eject with anything I've tested from HV to Standard Velocity. It even handles hollow points.
 
Fun with the 22

Years ago we went shooting every saturday and took along several guns of heavy Bore hand guns. My wifee loved to bust exploding targets with her Vaquero 45 LC I loaded up with 300 grainers. :eek:
She is a better shot than me.

But the greatest time we had after we shot all the big bores was finishing up our day with our lil bitty Beretta 21A Pistols. We shot the little V-8 juice cans to watch them explode the juice. Plus so many other targets.

The nicest part is we could find and old stump and have a whole lot of plinking fun with a brick of 22's of all kinds.

So much so we quit taking the big guns and just played with the 21A/s or the KT P32/s, or the NAA tiny revolvers.... Wow! those were the days before age and health began to keep us out of the woods.
 
I usually groan about That Guy that throws out suggestions that weren't on the list, but I'm going to be That Guy....

If I wanted a .22LR that was similar to a G19 for training purposes, I'd sure consider an ISSC M22. I have no clue if they're reliable, but they look like they might fit G19 holsters. Note, however, that there is a slide-mounted safety.
 
kadet + same sights

more work with same trigger, grips, weight, sight picture is a good thing... and with CZ the recoil of 9 vs 22 is pretty close.
 
I voted for the Kadet even though I have no personal experience with it so far. My next 22 pistol will be a Kadet or a 1911 conversion. I do have experience with the Ruger 22/45. Ergonomics are similar to a 1911 but no one would ever confuse the 2. The controls are in the same place but feel nothing alike with the possible exception of the mag release. As a 22lr pistol its nearly flawless. Cycles anything you put in it and puts holes exactly where you point it. I have been able to (off bag with red dot) hit the black with 9 out of 10 shots all the way out to the 100. I have heard many others with similar experiences. Ruger does rimfire very well.
 
Like the other poster said, shooting practice is shooting practice. I don't think you need to get too hung up on which handguns you practice with.
 
I also voted for the Kadet Kit, but I'd also give serious thought to one of the new Ruger MK IV guns, once they're avaiable. I know the guns are reliable and accurate, and having one that's clearly easier to clean/take down, makes a lot of sense. (I've had a Mk I and three MK IIs. My Kadet Kit, mounted on a CZ-85 Combat frame is the most accurate .22 I've owned, including a beautiful Ruger .22 stainless slab-sided long-slide Government Model.)
 
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I was recently looking for a .22 plinker to accompany my glocks to the range. I considered the M&P 22, but finally went for a Walther PPQ .22 . It’s mechanically the same gun as the M&P 22 but with a trigger that ‘feels’ more like a Glock trigger. Not having a magazine disconnect or an externa safety were bonuses for me.

However I believe that any .22 you enjoy shooting will be a useful (and fun) training tool. When I take my Glocks to the range, my PPQ .22 will always come along. For my 1911’s it’s the Beretta 87 and for the magnum revolvers it’s the S&W 18.
 
I was in a similar situation, having a Shield, P-07, and CZ-75 myself. I carry my Shield 99% of the time, so I went with the M&P 22 Compact. Similarity in size and ergos was part of it, both for me and people I might introduce to shooting so there wasn't a lot of change when they bump up to 9mm.
 
If transition is a factor, there is no option, IMHO. If there is a .22 version of your carry gun, buy it. Alternatively, get the conversion kit for your carry gun, or buy another just like it to house the conversion. What you don't need is a practice gun with a different setup; a gun fight is no place to forget which which way something works.

Jim
 
As a general rule, I don't care for conversion kits. However, the .22lr kit for my SIG p210 worked perfectly; just like shooting the basic pistol. None of the others ever did work, or feel, right.

I also support the argument that one should practice regularly with the carry gun and the home defense gun. I also feel they should be identical guns.

On the other hand, I support shooting different guns on the range (in addition to practice with the defense guns) especially .22lr pistols. The .22lr pistols can teach numerous lessons, that larger caliber pistols obscure with their noise and recoil.
 
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