Longziz #2. Is it just a magazine for 7.62X39 AR?

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Happy new year everybody!

This is a prototype accessory I made for AR15 rifle, and it is the second prototype I made related to AR15. The Longziz #1 story can be found here. also here http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=472734

If you have an AR15 in 7.62X39 caliber, I hope you would like it. If you don't, may be now there is one good reason to have one. :cool: Please let me know what you think. :D

My lawyer managed to file the patent application before the USPO close for the year. So it is ready to be shown to the public, and here you go for the video.

Longziz #2

For those who are expecting Longziz #2 as another firearm, sorry if this disappointed you. Longziz #1 took almost three years to be finished manufacturing, while longziz #2 only took 2 days. So it is not hard to accept that #2 is just an accessory.

However, in terms the sequence the concept came into my mind, Longziz #2 is way earlier than Longziz #1. As you may know, the first AR I have ever bought is 7.62X39 caliber, and it was in the year 2006. The reason I didn’t buy the 223 caliber is simple, my first rifle was a SKS and I don’t have any other rifle in 223 caliber. To simplify ammo storage, I choose the 7.62X39 caliber instead. When I bought the rifle, I know the high capacity magazine is hard to find. A friend of mine also has AR in this caliber and he managed to collect almost all possible magazine for this caliber. However, none of them work flawlessly. By then, the Cproduct LLC was claiming developing 30 rounds magazine for this caliber. However, that claim lasted for more than two years. While waiting, I bought two Cproduct magazines, one in 6.5 Grendel caliber and one in 6.8 SPC caliber. One is with a blue follower and the other is with a black follower. They are not made for M43 rounds so I experienced a lot of jam when used on my 7.62X39 AR15. While waiting impatiently for the dedicated M43 magazine to come, my mind started to work in gear of what I can do to ease the frustration.

The idea is very simple. The M43 round will introduce far more tilt inside of the STANAG magazine comparing to other calibers. If a non-tilt follower is used, the rounds can have a nose dive if certain amount (very small) of ammo is inserted, hence more prone to induce jam. If a tilt-able follower is used, the follower tend to tilt too much if a large amount of ammo is inserted, such that the follower would slide into the gap between the round tips and the front magazine wall and cause the ammo tail sink into the cavity the follower left behind, which also introduce jam. So I thought, maybe I can use a two piece follower approach, one that is non tilt, while the other is tilt-able. This way, the follower assembly would be stable inside of the magazine, while the tilt-able piece to accommodate tilt introduced by the ammo.

I can’t remember exactly why I didn’t prototype this idea by then. Maybe it was only in 2006 and I had not felt the pressure of graduation yet. Or perhaps because I thought it was too expensive to make a prototype since all magazine followers are made by injection molding. Or partly because I thought that Cproduct will have the M43 magazine out soon so my design may have no use.

In the end, it took Cproduct more than two years starting from the first time they claimed to have the magazine out in a few weeks. By then, it is already 2008 (if I remember correctly), and I have already known that I was going to move to Germany, so that magazine did not mean much anymore, since I have to get rid of the AR. Besides, I had started the Longziz #1 project, so the follower idea was put into my back shelf, until I came back to the States to finish Longziz #1 for the last time. After all, I found out that after five years since the Cproduct had started to make the magazine for this caliber, we are still in the situation of not having the right magazine for this caliber. And I can’t believe that no one else have come up a similar idea to address this. And for the two years that I was living in Germany, I have time to develop the idea even further. However, longziz #1 was still the priority, until now.

Range Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8cG-H0Fl2s&context=C3417542ADOEgsToPDskKw3A-CH_FHN4IQ-0sUpnc7
 
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My First AR was a Bushmaster 7.62x39 and i absolutely love it! I have since bought a .223 for long range shooting, but my Bushmaster seems to go to the range with me alot more than the .223
I highly recommend this caliber to anyone looking for something bigger than .223 in the AR platform.
 
Guys, I need you help on testing Longziz #2.

Whoever lives in Chicago area, that either have an 6.8SPC upper and/or 6.5 Grendel upper, and willing to help, please contact me. I will ask a friend of mine to meet with you to use Longziz #2 on your rifle, to see if it can feed those caliber efficiently without any problems. Your help will be highly appreciated, and you are welcome to ask for return. Thanks!

Again, happy new year!
 
the accuracy is ALOT better with the AR say compared to an AK. I have a Bushmaster 16" barrel and it will shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with yugo surplus ammo and there crappy factory trigger. Now add good handloads and a good trigger and im sure those groups will improve.
Of course the only issue with the 7.62x39 is that its not a long range round. So if you are trying to shoot out to 300 yards and furthur than i would go with something else, but if your shooting shorter distances under 300 yards its excellent. 300 yards is getting close to the limits of this round to shoot precisely unless you have a nice match barrel and all the bells and whistles.
 
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