Long range handgunning...

Flyboy_451

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A couple of recent posts have got me to thinking about how to explain how difficult long range shooting with a handgun can be. I do a lot of long range plinking with big bore sixguns out to some pretty incredible ranges, but rarely even try to take long shots on game animals in the field. For the purpose of this post, long range would be 100 yards and beyond.

Before getting into the mechanics of shooting at long range, I will attempt to explain the term "minute of angle" first. This is of key importance to being able to follow the numbers of this post.

Angles are expressed in degrees and fractions of a degree. Think in terms of time. We divide degrees into minutes and seconds. 60 seconds=1 minute, and 60 minutes=1 degree. Sounds simple, right?

well, here is where some get confused. We often speak of accuracy in terms of minutes of angle (MOA), but what exactly does this mean? It is simply an angular measurement that defines another measurement at a given distance. Imagine two lines that originate at the same point, but diverge in direction by 1/60 of a degree, or 1MOA. If you extended these lines to 100 yards, and then measured the distance between where they terminated, the distance between the two points would be 1.0472 inches. If the lines were extended to 200 yards, the measurement between the two points would be double that, or 2.0944 inches. At 300 yards, 3.141 inches, and so on. Keep in mind that MOA is an angular measurement, so as you extend the range, the distance between the two lines grows at a constant rate. Got it? Good!

For the purposes of this discussion, I will round down so that 1MOA=1 inch at 100 yards, 2" @ 200 yards, etc. This is typical when talking about shooting.

Now onto the reason that you need to understand this. To engage targets successfully at longer ranges, your sight alignment must be perfect, and it is my intent to show you how perfect i mean. By understanding angular measurements, and employing trigonometry, we can calculate how much movement of the front sight in relation to the rear sight, displaces the bullet a given amount at a given distance. We can also make a very educated guess as to whether or not we are capable of a given shot based on our own abilities at shorter ranges.

First, let's define the size of the target that we intend to engage. For the purposes of hunting deer sized game, I think a target area of 10 inches is very suitable. It also makes for easy numbers to work with for this example.

Using a target area of ten inches in diameter means that we would want our bullet to impact no more than five inches in any direction from the center. In other words, we must hold our sights on the exact center of the target, plus or minus five inches. At 100 yards, 5 inches equals five minutes of angle.

So, how much sight movement equals a given amount of aiming error at any given distance? This is where the trigonometry comes in. This must be calculated for the individual gun, based on the sight radius, or the distance from the rear sight to the front sight. Imagine a perfect sight picture, with the front sight perfectly level with and dead center of the rear sight. Now imagine a misalignment in any direction. The distance that the front sight moves to cause this misalignment is what I am talking about. How much movement is equal to 1MOA?

I measured the sight radius on my 5 1/4" .475 Linebaugh at about 7 1/4". By using trig, I calculated that a front sight movement of only .00211" is equal to 1MOA of misalignment. To put this in perspective, this is a measurement that is roughly equal to half the thickness of a piece of printer paper. This will shift the bullet impact by one inch at 100 yards. Now we can figure how much misalignment we can tolerate before our bullet leaves the 10 inch intended target area. All we have to do is multiply by five, and we get .01055", or roughly the thickness of two pieces of printer paper. This is if we were able to place our sights precisely in the center of our ten inch target area and hold them there. An error in sight alignment so small as to be nearly impossible to see, would cause out bullet to miss it's intended mark at one hundred yards. At two hundred yards, the amount of error that is allowable is cut in half. Remember that we are talking about angular changes, while still trying to hit the same 10 inch target area. At two hundred yards, our five inches of deviation from center is equal to 2.5MOA.

The following are sight misalignment distances that I calculated for other sight radii.

sight radius- Misalignment- MOA

12 .0034 1
12 .0174 5
14 .0040 1
14 . 0203 5
16 .0046 1
16 .0232 5


As you can see, as the sight radius gets longer, the misalignment value for a given angular error also increases. This is why guns with a longer sight radius are easier to shoot accurately. The error in sight alignment is larger, and thus easier to see. But, even with a 16 inch sight radius, a 5MOA angle is only a movement of the front sight of .0232”, or roughly the thickness of four sheets of paper.

Next time you are thinking of taking that 200 yard shot on a trophy buck, keep this in mind. This doesn’t even take bullet drop and wind drift into account. That is a whole other subject!!
 
I think you explained it very well and made it easier for people to understand. I wouldn't have even thought about how the distance between sites makes a differance and how to figure out how much of a differance. Great post!
 
Congratulations!

You have taken what, to me, was a simple thing and made it a complicated mathmatical exercise. Are you by any chance, an engineer? :D

I don't find long range shooting with a handgun difficult at all. All the same as any other shooting, aim, squeeze, hit.

Of course, you have to aim correctly (for the target distance an all other factors), and squeeze correctly (for the gun you are shooting) and the devil is in the details, but in principle, I find long range hadgun shooting to be much easier than point blank draw and fire speed drills.

I can, and have, regularly rung the 200yd rifle gong at my local range. Offhand. Often one handed. And with a little bit of practice to get used to the specific gun and load you hand me, I'll do it with anything you give me.

Now that gong is a bit bigger than the 10" target you talk about (I think its actually about 20" or so), and its at twice the distance, so I think its about fair to say both are equally difficult, over all.

I won't claim to be that good on a windy day, but if its calm, its simply a matter of figuring out how much front sight to hold up, and put the target on the top. I don't try to calculate this, I do it by trial and error shooting. For me, that's more fun!

I believe I could teach you to do it, too. But you'd have to promise to leave the calculator and trig tables in your pocket.

No, I don't shoot game at those ranges. I just like knowing I have the skill to be able to, if it was ever absolutely necessary.
 
Amp,

No need to come teach me about long range handgunning. I shoot nearly everyday (helps when your range is the back yard) and seldom shoot at less than fifty yards. The range stretches to just shy of 600 yards with gongs of various sizes, as well as paper target hangers, every fifty yards.

None of my handguns have barrels longer than six inches, and none of them wear scopes. Calibers include .357, .41, .44, .45, .475 and .512. I probably shoot and experiment far more than the vast majority of shooters, and have plenty of 40x40 plaques, trophies and belt buckles that I have earned over the years shooting handgun silhouette matches.

While I do agree that hitting gongs at known, long distances is easier than
many would think, my post was aimed more at hunting. There is a big difference between ringing a gong at 200 yards and beyond and making a clean kill at unknown distances in the field. Gongs don't run off to die a slow death if your shot isn't perfect. Hitting a gong with a distinct shape at a known distance is much easier than placing a killing shot on a deer or similar size animal without a distinct aiming point.

And just for the record, no, I'm not an engineer. Just a beat up old cop turned machinist. Numbers simply interest me, particularly when they pertain to other endeavors that I enjoy.

JW
 
None of my handguns have barrels longer than six inches, and none of them wear scopes. Calibers include .357, .41, .44, .45, .475 and .512. I probably shoot and experiment far more than the vast majority of shooters, and have plenty of 40x40 plaques, trophies and belt buckles that I have earned over the years shooting handgun silhouette matches.

I hope you're not implying you shot 40x40 standing. I shot silhouette for many years and I've shot a lot of 40x40 and 60x60's. However, it wasn't done off hand. I was International Class Standing and I was pretty good. My best was 33x40 and that was an exceptional score. As far as deer hunting and long shots go, I've shot many, many deer with a handgun. My longest shot (standing) was 167 yards. I've only ever lost one deer with a handgun and that one was shot with a 44mag at about 45 yards. Just made a bad shot. Not a long shot, just a bad shot. Lots of math in you calculations but I really don't get the point of your post. FYI: I am an engineer.
 
I thought "Ed McGivens' book Fast & Fancy shooting"...

had a simple explanation, from the 1930'a.

He shot .38Spl to 200 yds and upgraded that ti 600yds for the .357Mag, both from 4" revolvers.

Shot my .45ACP 5" for deer-back-up @ 100 yds, standing using the front sight base for aiming. All 5 shots within black of 25yds RF target center.
 
I also have my own range & a collection of big bore handguns... however as I've aged, I've found my eyes shifted towards the farsighted direction... if I shoot a handgun over 100 yards any more, I use a scope of at least 2X...

perhaps the OP should have titled the thread as "Long Range Handgun Hunting" ??? because if we're just shooting targets for fun... I can pretty consistantly hit my 200 yard barrel / target backer with my 22 revolver

however personally I like a bit more muscle in my handguns if I plan on taking game, especially deer... albeit, in MN the deer do get large... if you are far south, & have little doggie sized deer, less power should be acceptable...

todate, the only revolver I've hunted deer around here has been with a 6" 357 Supermag Dan Wesson, wearing a 4X Luepold... my regular deer hunting guns ( I almost excusively hunt deer with a handgun ) has been with Thompson Contenders... for years I used a 15" hunter barrel in 45-70, with a 2-7 Burris posilock scope... 75 yard 3 leaf clover groups were the norm, with nearly any available field rest... then I switch hunting areas, & found the longer barrel to be a handicap, so I switched to a 10" 30-30 for a year, also wearing a Burris 2-7... however the deer in this area were moving much faster ( public hunting ground on 3 side of the property ) & I found the deer were both closer, & trotting along much too fast to use the scope, even on 2X, so the last several years, I've used a custom 10" 45 Colt barrel in my Contender, using Williams Fiber Optic ghost ring sights... without the scope, I'm good to between 50-75 yards of "realistic" hunting range... yep, I can still hit targets at 250 yards with the gun on my range, I just don't think I want to take a shot on a deer at much over 70 yards with this set up...

I'm sure alot of you guys are both better shots than I , & have better eyes, so you need to set those "safe / ethical to shoot" distances yourselves, no one like the OP or I should set that distance for you...

BTW... one other thing to look at is loss of bullet energy... around here the 357 mag is marginal of deer at 50 yards... shooting one at 150 yards would be unethical IMO... 44 mag you're probably good to go further, the longer cartridges, like the old supermags, or the new 460 / 500's I'm sure they have the power needed, to kill cleanly as far as the shooters skills take them
 
So 100 yards don't count as long range?

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Not even with a 22 and a 45?

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Well back to the books, now where did I put my slide rule so I can figure this out? :D
 
I enjoyed reading the OP. Really put the minute change in sight alignment and how the effect is magnified by range into easy to understand format.
Thanks!

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Guns and Ammo mag had an article on long range gunning a long time ago; they used an 55 gallon drum at 400 yards. The best gun of the lot they used was a .41mag (I think) long barrelled revolver.

When I was younger, we could hit tin cans at 100 yards with .22 pistols pretty well. But, for LONG shots I suggest at least a 357 with fast bullets and use the same gun and load consistantly. Learn how to dope your shots as range is everything. If you guess wrong by 20 yards, it can mean quite a few inches in holdover needed.

The one surprise when shooting that far is that once you pull the trigger, the bullet can take 3 to 4 seconds to reach the target! I love long range shooting with a handgun; there's nothing like it... but a windy day makes it too frustrating so pick nice still days, imo.
 
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