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Locked and loaded carry ?
- Thread starter Lavan
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Mk. IIIs, and perhaps some "late" Mk. IIs have a firing pin block to make the gun more drop safe.
If your gun has the FP block, the sear lever, which runs along the right side of the slide, transferring trigger movement to the sear, will have a "flag" at the rear that extends to the middle of the slide.
If your gun has the FP block, the sear lever, which runs along the right side of the slide, transferring trigger movement to the sear, will have a "flag" at the rear that extends to the middle of the slide.
Kevin Rohrer
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Those who ask questions like that need to get outside training w/ it so they learn the answer (i.e. proper operation) on their own.
Those who ask questions like that need to get outside training w/ it so they learn the answer (i.e. proper operation) on their own.
Having a bit of a presumptuous and insulting day are we, Kevvy?
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My EDC is a 1911(ish) pistol (Wilson EDC X9) carried cocked and locked. I carried a 1911 on the S.O. I was with, so im very comfortable with C&L carry.
Last year i picked up a Springfield SA35 ( high-power clone) and would be carrying it if i had not gotten the Wilson. Cocked and locked is the only way i would carry that type of gun.
Empty chamber makes no sense to me for a defensive pistol and hammer down on a live round is an accident waiting to happen (no way to safely decock). So, cock it and lock it….
With the prober training and skills of course.
Last year i picked up a Springfield SA35 ( high-power clone) and would be carrying it if i had not gotten the Wilson. Cocked and locked is the only way i would carry that type of gun.
Empty chamber makes no sense to me for a defensive pistol and hammer down on a live round is an accident waiting to happen (no way to safely decock). So, cock it and lock it….
With the prober training and skills of course.
I used to be concerned about carrying cocked and locked.
It took me years to get comfortable with it. I bought a CZ clone and I just forced myself to get comfortable with it. I am not a fan of carry a pistol that is not chambered. I laugh at the shows on TV that show a person drawing and them racking the slide. If I need to draw my pistol, I will be under stress. I don't want to have to think about whether it's ready to shoot.
I carry all of my pistols chambered and with the safety ( if there is one) on.
It took me years to get comfortable with it. I bought a CZ clone and I just forced myself to get comfortable with it. I am not a fan of carry a pistol that is not chambered. I laugh at the shows on TV that show a person drawing and them racking the slide. If I need to draw my pistol, I will be under stress. I don't want to have to think about whether it's ready to shoot.
I carry all of my pistols chambered and with the safety ( if there is one) on.
Lavan, Back in the '70s I carried a Hi Power off-duty cocked and locked. Did the 250 class at Gunsite with a Hi Power. Came back a year later and did the 499 class with a 1911, C&L of course. Last several years in LE carried a 1911. Some of these had firing pin safeties, others not. I did install better sights and extended thumb safeties on the HPs and 1911s I carried back in the day. This was before today's good factory sights, safeties, etc. became common.
My point in this little historical narrative is that I never had an issue in carrying a Hi Power or 1911 C&L in training, carry or qualification.
My point in this little historical narrative is that I never had an issue in carrying a Hi Power or 1911 C&L in training, carry or qualification.
Personally I've always wondered WHY so many people seem to worry about cocked with the safety ON, only when the gun has an externally visible hammer...
There are, I suspect, literally hundreds of firearm designs, rifles, shotguns and pistols that are either striker fired or have internal hammers that are loaded, "safed" and carried and no one squalls or freaks out.
There are, I suspect, literally hundreds of firearm designs, rifles, shotguns and pistols that are either striker fired or have internal hammers that are loaded, "safed" and carried and no one squalls or freaks out.
While there are examples of some kind of safety (device that blocked firing) on a very few muzzle loaders, generally speaking, what we think of a safety today wasn't a feature of firearms until "hammerless" repeating cartridge firearms showed up, in the late 1880s and early 1890s.
Semiauto handguns showed up in the early 1890s, and like all "new technology" many different ideas were used during the early decades of development.
Some of Browning's early designs don't have safeties, and several have only a grip safety. Apparently, Browning believed that was sufficient. His original 1910 prototype 45 only has a grip safety. The safety lock (aka thumb safety) was added to the gun at the customer's request (US Govt) and the result became the 1911.
I consider the Hi Power to be safe to carry cocked and locked. It is not any less safe than any other quality firearm with a manual safety carried chamber loaded safety ON.
Do not confuse mechanical "drop safety" with manual safeties or safe carry. It is a different thing.
Semiauto handguns showed up in the early 1890s, and like all "new technology" many different ideas were used during the early decades of development.
Some of Browning's early designs don't have safeties, and several have only a grip safety. Apparently, Browning believed that was sufficient. His original 1910 prototype 45 only has a grip safety. The safety lock (aka thumb safety) was added to the gun at the customer's request (US Govt) and the result became the 1911.
I consider the Hi Power to be safe to carry cocked and locked. It is not any less safe than any other quality firearm with a manual safety carried chamber loaded safety ON.
Do not confuse mechanical "drop safety" with manual safeties or safe carry. It is a different thing.
Squawkers will squawk, because that’s what they do, and they don’t seem to put a lot of deep thinking into it. If they did, they would probably shut their mouths.Personally I've always wondered WHY so many people seem to worry about cocked with the safety ON, only when the gun has an externally visible hammer...
There are, I suspect, literally hundreds of firearm designs, rifles, shotguns and pistols that are either striker fired or have internal hammers that are loaded, "safed" and carried and no one squalls or freaks out.
bamaranger
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trooper
I had a State Trooper question my BHP as it was cocked in the holster at a gun show. Thing was, the gun had been checked at the door and a CABLE TIE had been run through the trigger guard and up between the frame and the hammer, then snipped flush. The event staff did it, I would have locked the slide back and then cable tied the slide open, but they were busy and I did not question their procedure. I carried the gun open in the holster, as I was open to sale or trade on the pistol (in the long run, I kept it and am glad I did).
Anyhow, that Trooper, a young fellow I might add, took me to task, .....perhaps he thought I had not followed protocol and checked the gun at the door. In any event, he was clearing distraught that the gun was cocked. I suppose if all one knows are Glocks, the sight of a BHP or a 1911 with the hammer cocked is quite disturbing. I politely, without handling the pistol, informed him the gun was checked and ziplocked as per the drill.
I had a State Trooper question my BHP as it was cocked in the holster at a gun show. Thing was, the gun had been checked at the door and a CABLE TIE had been run through the trigger guard and up between the frame and the hammer, then snipped flush. The event staff did it, I would have locked the slide back and then cable tied the slide open, but they were busy and I did not question their procedure. I carried the gun open in the holster, as I was open to sale or trade on the pistol (in the long run, I kept it and am glad I did).
Anyhow, that Trooper, a young fellow I might add, took me to task, .....perhaps he thought I had not followed protocol and checked the gun at the door. In any event, he was clearing distraught that the gun was cocked. I suppose if all one knows are Glocks, the sight of a BHP or a 1911 with the hammer cocked is quite disturbing. I politely, without handling the pistol, informed him the gun was checked and ziplocked as per the drill.
Cosmodragoon
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I don't like cocked and locked on a carry gun. Manual safeties are an extra step I don't want in an emergency defensive tool.
The trigger is the only control I want. The only on-board hedge I'll accept is a double action trigger, since it keeps to one control or one variable that needs to be manipulated in order to use the firearm once drawn. The only hedge I consider necessary is a good holster that properly protects the trigger.
The trigger is the only control I want. The only on-board hedge I'll accept is a double action trigger, since it keeps to one control or one variable that needs to be manipulated in order to use the firearm once drawn. The only hedge I consider necessary is a good holster that properly protects the trigger.