HighValleyRanch
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Load a new round through the ejection port with the magazine out and close the slide and then load your full magazine. How many of you do this?
With a fixed, spring steel extractor such as in the 1911, snapping the extractor over the case rim does stress the extractor unnecessarily and is not currently recommended. That said, the original Army field manual for the 1911 expressly offered that as a way to load a single round.highvalleyranch said:Yes, I was taught not to do that, and taught the same thing about the being hard on the extractor, but maybe that comes from the old school.
Supposedly, with many newer hinging extractors, it's not a big deal.
No. At least in a 1911, the rim of the next round comes up from beneath the extractor and slides in behind the extractor hook as it comes up.When thinking about this, doesn't the extractor slide over the cartridge rim every time anyways? Isn't it designed to hinge around the round as the slide closes?
In many designs the cartridge slide up into the extractor rather than the extractor riding over the cartridge base.Yes, I was taught not to do that, and taught the same thing about the being hard on the extractor, but maybe that comes from the old school.
Supposedly, with many newer hinging extractors, it's not a big deal.
And this came up because although I rarely read my new gun instruction manuals, I was surprised that Beretta (manual for my new PX4 storm full size) gives it as one of two options. Load from the magazine as usual, or single load into the ejection port and then close the slide.
When thinking about this, doesn't the extractor slide over the cartridge rim every time anyways? Isn't it designed to hinge around the round as the slide closes?
And when we do malfunction drills, isn't this to pull out a stuck case using the extractor?
When thinking about this, doesn't the extractor slide over the cartridge rim every time anyways? Isn't it designed to hinge around the round as the slide closes?
And when we do malfunction drills, isn't this to pull out a stuck case using the extractor?
I've never had a mechanical or parts failure with an automatic regardless of handling it any such type of way or not.
How does an extractor get damaged placing a cartridge into the chamber and allowing the slide to slam shut with the extractor claw popping over the extractor groove on the cartridge case? Isn't this how it is designed to operate- a spring loaded sharpened claw that pivots on a pin?
Know the system, and use it accordingly.
With a fixed, spring steel extractor such as in the 1911, snapping the extractor over the case rim does stress the extractor unnecessarily and is not currently recommended. That said, the original Army field manual for the 1911 expressly offered that as a way to load a single round.
As others have said, it depends on the design. If the manual doesn't explicitly allow for direct-chamber loading (dropping a round in and dropping the slide), it's best to load only from the magazine.I was surprised that Beretta (manual for my new PX4 storm full size) gives it as one of two options. Load from the magazine as usual, or single load into the ejection port and then close the slide.
TMK, I have never seen a gun with a fixed extractor-though there may be some.
That is one reason they move in some designs. Two other reasons are to hold the case in place firmly during the last part of feeding and extraction and to release the empty cartridge more easily on extraction.The specific reason that extractors move is so they CAN slip over the rim of a chambered round.
A common problem with direct chamber feeding in guns that are not designed for it is chipping or breaking of the extractor. In some guns, the extractor is a relatively hard part with a separate spring and it doesn't take well to repeated impacts on the extractor hook from the front.A 1911-type extractor simply can not be over stressed, because it's contained in the slide. The extractor is actually a spring in itself.
Further, the original M1911 extractor was specified to be made from spring steel. With the exception of the extractors from Cylinder and Slide, today's 1911 extractors are either "tool steel" or MIM. Neither has sufficient flexibility to stand up to repeated over-flexing as caused by snapping the extractor hook over the case rim. You may get away with it once, or even multiple times, but eventually it will probably either break the extractor, or de-tension it.44 AMP said:With pistols, particularly the 1911 type, there can be quite a bit of variance in the slope of the extractor nose (different makers, etc) and some guns extractors aren't cut to easily allow them to snap over the rim of a chambered round. Its a simple fix, but if its not there, then the extractor takes more force rearwards before it flexes out, and I don't see how that would be a good thing for the life of the part, long term.