I should have been more specific .I have loaded for 50 yrs and am accustomed to standard procedures and ladder progressions. Specifically the Rem. is a .243, bedded, Luepold 6.5x20. Usually group about .310 to .540 with sierra 75 and Berger bullets. i want to try and have ordered the relatively new 108 gr Hornady 108 gr ELD that replace the AMAX. Seeking that elusive one hole group. That's what I am looking for someone who has used these bullets successfully. Sorry for the confusion.twist rate 1/9.25