Experienced a malfunction with my GLOCK 21 yesterday. I was firing factory reloads from the hip when the pistol jammed. The round did not go into battery, it seemed as if it "hit" the top of the barrel chamber. The slide was open partially and the only way to clear it was to drop the mag and rack back the slide. Was this an operator error (limp wrist) or what?
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Limp Wrist?
- Thread starter pete80
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Could be. Smaller handguns seem to be more sensitive to that and the jam you describe is classic. OTOH, it could be any number of other things related to the load (seating depth/case lenght), position in the mag., the mag. itself, etc. Could be a combination of marginal factors that all came together. I'd think the best way to test would be to fire a few mags with a relaxed grip (limp wrist) with both that magazine and others, and see if it happens again - especially with the same mag.
Good luck.
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Jim Fox
Good luck.
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Jim Fox
Any type of reload is a toss up as well. Every now and then you could get a bad one in a box. (sometimes more than one) I would try different ammo as well and see if it is an ammo problem.
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The Silver Bullet 1719
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I'll agree with swatman on this it was most likely a bad cartridge. However, I would not recommend you using reloads in your Glock, remember firing reloads in a Glock is not covered by the factory's warenty.
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A major problem with ANY semi auto is the improper angle of fire. One dept contacted us when an officer fired his G19 OVER the roof of a car and it jammed on the third shot. they took the gun to the range and it fired 500+ with NO problem.
Failures with semi autos in the street is very high. the gun assumes it will be held at a proper angle to feed and there is no slide travel interruption.
Rolling around in a parking lot with a thug can cause both if you think about it. Firing any semi auto at an odd or unsupported angle (also keeping in mind individual physical charactoristics) can produce a failure to function which is not a problem with a revolver. When chosing a semi auto for self defense you have to keep in mind that potential problem which is surfacing more than many like to admit. It isn't about the brand of the gun, but more about the physical requirements of a semi auto gun. In all reality the semi auto if held to the standards of reliability that we once insisted on with revolvers, the choice would be scoffed at. It is common to be on the range with cops trying to qualify and have one stoppage after another. Something that would not have been tolerated with revolvers.
I do carry semi autos frequently for self-defense but I am well aware of the guns reliability flaws that exist in the street.
If you think you will time to do some complex "tap rack bang" crapola in the real world, I've got news for you. The only thing you may experience is the thugs "bang bang bang."
There won't be time in the real world.
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Failures with semi autos in the street is very high. the gun assumes it will be held at a proper angle to feed and there is no slide travel interruption.
Rolling around in a parking lot with a thug can cause both if you think about it. Firing any semi auto at an odd or unsupported angle (also keeping in mind individual physical charactoristics) can produce a failure to function which is not a problem with a revolver. When chosing a semi auto for self defense you have to keep in mind that potential problem which is surfacing more than many like to admit. It isn't about the brand of the gun, but more about the physical requirements of a semi auto gun. In all reality the semi auto if held to the standards of reliability that we once insisted on with revolvers, the choice would be scoffed at. It is common to be on the range with cops trying to qualify and have one stoppage after another. Something that would not have been tolerated with revolvers.
I do carry semi autos frequently for self-defense but I am well aware of the guns reliability flaws that exist in the street.
If you think you will time to do some complex "tap rack bang" crapola in the real world, I've got news for you. The only thing you may experience is the thugs "bang bang bang."
There won't be time in the real world.
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Specialists in the use and training of lethal force.
No major gun manufacturer will warranty a gun that you admit shooting factory reloads in. That said, most guns will shoot factory reloads just the same as regular loads of the same grain. Glocks are very sensitive when it comes to reloads so along with the expensive gun you have to shoot expensive ammo.
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Rob Pincus
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PlusP's point is well taken, but I tink the problem does not come from the odd or off angle itself it comes from the fact that the weapon's frame is not properly supported in relation to the slide.
In other words, in a vise grip/ ransom rest, I doubt that there would be a significant increase in malfunctions at ANY Angle with a weapon like a Glock, but an operator may have serious problems properly supporting a weapon in an awkward shooting position.
I've worked with an LEO on an entry team who was having functioning problems when he first start shooting around a ballistic shield. He was shooting a Glock .40. I aksed around, and apparently this is a commmon problem for people new to shooting around a barricade, particularly with Glocks, but with practice, they develop the muscle control to support eh weapon properly in that position and the problem goes away....
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In other words, in a vise grip/ ransom rest, I doubt that there would be a significant increase in malfunctions at ANY Angle with a weapon like a Glock, but an operator may have serious problems properly supporting a weapon in an awkward shooting position.
I've worked with an LEO on an entry team who was having functioning problems when he first start shooting around a ballistic shield. He was shooting a Glock .40. I aksed around, and apparently this is a commmon problem for people new to shooting around a barricade, particularly with Glocks, but with practice, they develop the muscle control to support eh weapon properly in that position and the problem goes away....
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Will Beararms
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I have had similiar epxeriences with a P220 Sig .45ACP. Try standing with your right shoulder pointed at the target and resting your tricep against your torso with the upper arm and lower arm forming a 90 degree angle. In other words, don't square off at the target, turn sideways.
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Will Beararms
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One more thought. Life is full of trade-offs. You benefit from reduced maintenance and light weight with a polymer frame but you suffer from the potential of jams from limp wristing. Consider the heavy 1911 .45ACP, it was designed to be held over the top of a trench and fired and for the most part, with ball ammo, they will 99 44/100 percent of the time.
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