-Liege-Acier Garanti pistol

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-Liege-Acier Garanti pistol. Have one looking for a firing pin for one or at least a pics with specs of one

Modele 1912 BREVET 243839
-Liege-Acier Garanti
Fulgor
6 35mm

Have pics can E-mail To big to post on here
Any help please and thank you:confused::confused:
 
Could also be found C. PH Clement

here is a few pics of what i have

Third pic top pistol is the one like mine
 

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Those little .25's were inexpensive guns, made by the zillions in Spain and Belgium in hundreds of often only slightly different models and trade names. Parts are non-existent even for the more common makes.

The good news is that the firing pins are pretty simple and one can be made by any reasonably competent gunsmith, even without one to copy. The bad news is that it might cost more than the gun is worth.

The choice is yours, but in most cases, having the firing pin made would not be economically feasible.

Jim
 
Little Pistol

Thanks Jim for your input I understand the struggle that I am up against but I would really like to see this pistol work and fire me and my friends have fell in love with this little pistol We all have a vested interest in seeing this project to the end.

I know they made all kinds of them back in the dayi just wish i could find a diagram of the thing.
 
If it's a simple lathe turning, it shouldn't be all that hard to duplicate or that expensive, either. If it's a more complex "striker" type, then you're talking a whole different ball game.

Some decent pics of both sides of YOUR pistol as well as a shot of the inside of the slide (bottom view) would help immensely.
 
Almost all those pistols use a concealed hammer and firing pin, not a striker. (The Colt Vest Pocket, Browning Model 1906 and DUO are exceptions, being striker guns.) I have made a bunch of firing pins, all just enough different that there is no pattern to follow.

Because of the difficulty of getting the firing pin into its tunnel, many have two piece firing pins. Retention is usually by cross pin through the slide and fitting into a shallow U cutout. The trick in making one is that it is usually a cut-and-try job, not hard but tedious. Length is critical to prevent accidental firing when the slide goes forward. The material is simply drill rod, turned as appropriate and hardened (something the original maker seldom bothered with; most factory firing pins are soft and flatten on the end after a few shots.

The striker guns usually use the firing pin as the ejector, but the hammer guns have a separate ejector. The pins are not inertial; with a concealed hammer, the gun won't fire if dropped.

Jim
 
Little pistol

Thanks Jim for all your input you seem to be a very wise man.

How do i go about telling what type of firing system that I have as I am sure from my earlier post you know that i am pretty set in getting this pistol operational.

Jim do you have any suggestions as where to look for an example of the firing pin?
 
If you remove the slide, a glance will tell you if the gun has a hammer. Then a look at the underside of the slide will tell you something about the firing pin. If you post pictures of the top of the frame and the bottom of the slide, we can tell you.

I doubt there are any pictures or diagrams of that gun; anyone wanting to make a firing pin will have to study the task and determine what it has to look like in order to work.

Making a firing pin for a gun like that is not super science, it is just time consuming and tedious, which means expensive if a professional does it.

Jim
 
Little Pistol

So thanks to another member I have found out that my pistol. Is a striker fired pistol. I have learned a lot in the last few weeks.

One question do any members know of places that sell oddball gun parts?
 
Striker fired or not it should still have a firing pin. Take it apart and take a photo of it.

Most firing pins are relatively easy to reproduce.

One mans trash is another mans treasure, especially if he has owned it for a long time. I have a BUNCH of the little 25's, but not a Clement.

I just looked, yup, I have a Clement too! It looks a bit stranger looking than yours does.
 
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HisSoldier I would just remove the firing pin if it was still intact in the weapon.

Hence the reason I need a pic of one to copy it to make a new one.

Thats pretty cool that you have a clement also not very common guns.

Today I get to go and meet the third gunsmith about this Little Pistol I am hopefully that he will be able to help me in my quest to fix this Pistol because i have truly come to respect it
 
Nissan_man,

Would it be possible to let us know whether your gunsmiths will take on the job and at about what cost?

HisSoldier,

In a striker fired pistol, the striker is the firing pin, and they are usually more complex than the firing pin of a hammer gun. Making one is a lot more complicated when there is none to copy as in this case. You have to know the way those things work, then how to approach the job of making the part, then doing a time-consuming "cut-and-try" operation to get the right fit. And you need the right weight (mass) and the right spring tension and length. Further, I suspect that that gun, like the Colt VP, uses its firing pin as the ejector, a common setup, but one that involves further complexity.

They also usually need a firing pin spring guide; if that is too long, firing the gun will break out the back of the frame and destroy the gun.

Jim
 
Today I get to go and meet the third gunsmith about this Little Pistol
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Many gunsmiths don't want to work on such little .25's they may be biased against them. The assumption I guess is that anyone who has one is going to use it in a bar fight. But many people shoot and collect all kinds of guns they would never get into a gunfight with. Or it may be that he thinks you will not like the price.

JamesK, I know how striker fired pistol firing pins are made, most of the ones in .25 ACP's are simple little things anyone who knows anything about a metal lathe should be able to make, and to harden and temper the sear.

These are things I do all the time on my own guns, though I'd hate to try to make a living doing it. And this is probably the squeeze the gunsmith Nissan will face tomorrow, it will take a minimum of two hours to reproduce a striker if it needs a heat treated sear, and looking for a living shop rate the gunsmith is going to ask himself whether or not Nissan loves the gun enough to pay for it.

But the best way to replace it would be to do the tedious work of looking in GB every week until it is found, and, unless there are more than one just buy it. A striker for a baby Browning firing pin (Striker) costs $38 new.

Nissan, have you looked in Firsts red book? Page 124 item 6 "firing pin" It's a 1909 model but may be the same even if it's a different model.
605-343-9544 Jack First, and he may not have one.

If you aren't attached to it you can make a tidy sum selling the parts off, heh heh, though it would be a boring job, many do that.
 
I just looked at photos of a 1909 model, it has a firing pin and separate hammer, a very simple pin. The 1906 has a more complex pin, harder to make, a 1907 has a simple pin (BTW, a firing pin doesn't even need to be especially hard! the Colt 1900 38 Auto had a bronze firing pin) None of the Clements I saw had a striker.
 
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James K. my gunsmiths all really do not want to undertake the challenge of making a firing pin. But this last one gave me a name of a shop in Oregon that dose gunsmith work and they specialize in making obsolete gun parts so hopefully i will get a break with them and they don't want an arm and a leg to do it if you know what i mean LOL
 
There is one other possibility. Some small striker fired pistols used copies of the Colt/Browning firing pin (Colt VP, FN 1906, FN 1910, FN 1922, DUO). If you can find someone who will let you try a firing pin out of one of those and it works, you have a source; even if it doesn't work, it may provide a guide.

Jim
 
Thanks James K. for the suggestion I am looking in to buying a firing pin for a Browning FN 1910 And then the other two pieces that I need are coming off a Browning FN 1906. I am pretty sure the pin looking piece and the spring will work but I am taking a calculated risk with the firing pin hope it works if not hopefully it will give me a better idea of what the original looked like to get one made.

I am adding a Schematic of a Browning 1910 the three pieces that I need are
9,10,11.
 

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Correct; the parts are the firing pin, firing pin spring, and firing pin spring guide. The latter is necessary; without it the spring can kink and cause misfires. They have no special materiel need; I have made them out of nails. But length is critical, If the guide is too long, the firing pin hits the front and having no place to go it hits the "doll's head" at the back of the frame, and eventually can break it off. Too short and there might be failures to eject - remember that the front end of the firing pin is extra long because it acts as the ejector.

Jim
 
Little Pistol

Well the first firing pin did not work waiting for the second to show up to try it hopefully it works if not that one. then my second to last chance is the third one which is on the way too and if it fails the my last hope is a place called PACIFIC INTERNATIONAL SERVICE COMPANY or PISCO Gunsmiths for short from what I understand is they are the elite in doing gunsmith work and they should be able to make the parts that I need for the right price that is LOL. I bjust hope thst price is not an arm or a leg or both if ya know what i mean
 
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