Liberals........

Rojoe67

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I understand some folks here are Liberals and aren't shy to state they are. I respect them as I hope they can respect me for my more Conservative nature? I want to cool the fire I will start ahead of time. OK......... Just using my freedom of speach and press....... ;)


Gitmo Gate, Texas National Guard Gate, Karl Gate, Lost Weapons Gate, WMD Gate, Bin Ladin Gate, Cowboy Gate, Sec. Of Def. Gate and the list could go on. I am just wondering why it's so important for the Liberals and the media work hand in hand to try to discredit the president's every move?

Today a reporter even stated to Bush, We have heard your very close to naming the next Supreme Court Justice? He laughed and said he wasn't aware that he was ready to name anyone yet. He must be about sick of these fools? He did remind the media he is working with the Senate and will determine the person when he is ready.
 
Michael Savage may have some answers...

May I direct your attention to Michael Savage's latest book entitled Liberalism is a Mental Disorder.

I'm not saying that every word Mr. Savage utters is gospel; however, there is the distinct possibility that he is right about some things. :D
 
It is just about the same for every president ever elected. The minute they take office they become target of oppotunity numero uno. There may be just a slight bit of leeway given to democrat presidents, but not enough to matter.

Except Kennedy. That one got away with all kinds of crap. But none of the rest that I know of.

Even Lincoln whom we all revere was drubbed something awful.

Next one up will catch hell too. They all do. Except ole JFK for some reason.
 
Jfk

Seems to me the legacy of JFK might be so pro because of his ugly ending?

He had some nutts to stand up to the Russian's and the Cuban Missle issue?

His personal life seems to have been a role model for Clinton? But I don't want to give too much credit to William Jefferson Clinton. The media loved both of these presidents no matter what they did on so called off hours.... :confused:
 
It strikes me that liberals are an angry lot. After 8 years of gorging themselves comatose on artificially inflated 401k plans, moral relativism and a foriegn policy which was based on a combination of naivte, blindness, amateur clumsiness, misplaced trust and giving away our national security to the highest bidder, liberals are angry that the pendulum has begun to swing back to the right, that people have started to come out of their stupor and that their heroes, the Clintons/Kennedys/Gores etc, have ultimately let them, their party and their country down. The liberals have awakened, hung over, to find that the adults are home and in charge again. I'd be angry, too.

I am no big Bush fan. He mis-led the country into Iraq and has squandered opportunities to swat the real power behind Islamofascism. He continues to seem to be less than honest with the American public regarding details of our 'war on terror'. He goes on about bringing freedom and democracy to the far corners of the Islamic world and all the while using the Constitution for fish wrap here at home. The left cannot mount an effective attack on him for these things because Rove had the foresight to co-opt them at the beginning....so they're left with angry rants, name calling, lies, celebrity hand wringers, forged memos, a whining media, and the like trying to derail whatever 'progress' is being made. I believe that we are watching the death throes of the progressive/socialist party in this country. Good riddance to bad baggage.

This, of course, is all prelude to the '08 election. Some here will tell you that whichever party is elected, the results will all be the same; that they both serve the masters of international globalization and that we are slaves on the global plantation.. I say not so fast... the '08 election will provide the greatest opportunity to wrest control back from the federal government since the Civi War. Both parties are polarized around their 20% of the electorate on each end that are 'true believers'. Does anyone really believe that the Dems or Reps actually represent the vast middle of this country? Say it ain't so!

The center is wide open for a party that believes in following the letter of the Constitution, believes in self determination, responsibility, accountability and liberty, believes that smaller government is better and believes in a government that is not beholden to big business, the military complex or extra legal international bodies that attempt to usurp or soveriegnty. We need a goverment that will closely scrutinize immigration over carefully guarded borders, one that will gradually deport the millions of llegals that are currently allowed to remain here. We need to be more circumspect in our foriegn policy, supporting countries based on our security and economic interests. We need to be completely ruthless with our enemies abroad as well as those that are home grown or have infiltrated our country. We need a judiciary that uses the Constitution as its template, not rulings from some international court. So much work, so little time.


Hey...a guy can dream, can't he?
 
Yep.......

Gburner............you got my vote friend.......... ;)

You have expressed my exact feelings.......


I think it would be nice to have a new group or two of candidates that represent the true numbers....... :D
 
Am I to understand that there is an entirely different behavior being displayed in Washington than during the last President's tenure? It really is amazing that the Liberals are so mean after the Republican's were so polite and cuddly when they had a Democrat in office. :D



Clue: Both parties act like fourth graders when given a chance. Why is it that a self proclaimed conservative would be blind to this simple truth?
 
Liberals cry WOLF! entirely too much and too loudly. Just look at Rovegate, Gitmo, Global Warming, CAFTA, Down's Syndrome Memo, incessant anti-50 caliber hysteria, anti-meat, Israel-bashing, gun grabbing, and the criminal rights lobby.

As a result I don't give 2 flips about any cause championed by so called 'progressives'. It's likely to be one more false alarm to trick people into accepting the socialist agenda.
 
Liberals are angry because they've been 'tricked' into doing things that are against their core values, among these are projecting American power overseas. They use any excuse to attempt to kneecap our war efforts and they remain in denial that Bush, for all of his faults, is the legitimate president. They hate Bush because of his moral certitude. They see their power ebbing away. Their anger is short sighted, childish, entitlement based and counter-productive. It reeks of victimhood.

Republicans were angry because Clinton was/is a liar, open adulterer, a serial rapist, a moral relativist and conspirator in multiple felonies both before and during his administration. They remain convinced that Clinton, his 'wife' and their cabal from Arkansas were illegitimate due to their feloniuos behavior and his impeachment. Their anger was justified and their efforts should have resulted in Clinton occupying a Federal jail cell.
 
Wow you conservatives sound like such an angry lot..

smile it helps sometimes..... :)

some stuff for you to enjoy from the College Republican National Convention

I chatted for a while with Collin Kelley, a senior at Washington State with a vague resemblance to the studly actor Orlando Bloom. Kelley told me he's "sick and tired of people saying our troops are dying in vain" and added, "This isn't an invasion of Iraq, it's a liberation--as David Horowitz said." When I asked him why he was staying on campus rather than fighting the good fight, he rubbed his shoulder and described a nagging football injury from high school. Plus, his parents didn't want him to go. "They're old hippies," Kelley said.

Munching on a chicken quesadilla at a table nearby was Edward Hauser, a senior at St. Edwards University in Austin, Texas--a liberal school in a liberal town in the ultimate red state of Texas. "Austin is ninety square miles insulated from reality," Hauser said. When I broached the issue of Iraq, he replied, "I support our country. I support our troops." So why isn't he there?

"I know that I'm going to be better staying here and working to convince people why we're there [in Iraq]," Hauser explained, pausing in thought. "I'm a fighter, but with words."

At a table by the buffet was Justin Palmer, vice chairman of the Georgia Association of College Republicans, America's largest chapter of College Republicans. In 1984 the group gained prominence in conservative circles when its chairman, Ralph Reed, formed a political action committee credited with helping to re-elect Senator Jesse Helms. Palmer's future as a right-wing operative looked bright; he batted away my question about his decision to avoid fighting the war he supported with the closest thing I heard to a talking point all afternoon. "The country is like a body," Palmer explained, "and each part of the body has a different function. Certain people do certain things better than others." He said his "function" was planning a "Support Our Troops" day on campus this year in which students honored military recruiters from all four branches of the service.

Standing by Palmer's side and sipping a glass of rose wine, University of Georgia Republican member Kiera Ranke said she played her part as well. She and her sorority sisters sent care packages to troops in Iraq along with letters and pictures of themselves. "They wrote back and told us we boosted their morale," she said.

By the time I encountered Cory Bray, a towering senior from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business, the beer was flowing freely. "The people opposed to the war aren't putting their asses on the line," Bray boomed from beside the bar. Then why isn't he putting his ass on the line? "I'm not putting my ass on the line because I had the opportunity to go to the number-one business school in the country," he declared, his voice rising in defensive anger, "and I wasn't going to pass that up."

And besides, being a College Republican is so much more fun than counterinsurgency warfare. Bray recounted the pride he and his buddies had felt walking through the center of campus last fall waving a giant American flag, wearing cowboy boots and hats with the letters B-U-S-H painted on their bare chests. "We're the big guys," he said. "We're the ones who stand up for what we believe in. The College Democrats just sit around talking about how much they hate Bush. We actually do ****."
When 25-year-old candidate Mike Davidson emerged in the center of the room, the party fell to a hush. "Does everybody know why we're here today?" Davidson asked his supporters, who had huddled around him.

"Beer!" someone shouted. The crowd exploded with laughter.

:chuckles:

Well I am a Liberal and when my Reserve unit got called up I went.
 
So you went and did your duty. Would you rather come home to parades and waving flags and people that would buy you a dinner and a beer out of gratitude for your service? or a bunch of smelly, hairy hippies throwing feces, waving signs, hanging your effigy, spitting on you and calling you "Iraqi Baby Killer?"
 
Eghad...

I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, to discover that craven hypocracy and cowardly self interest exists among the youth on college campuses today. I may never recover from my disillusionment. :(


I'm sorry...what was your point? Was it that the people quoted had too much to lose to enlist yet remain vocal in support of our efforts and in that they're hypocrites or is it that you would face felony incarceration, a dishnorable discharge and a substantial financial penalty if you didn't go? Everyone has reasons for the choices that they make. For whatever reason, you signed your name on the dotted line; the others didn't. Please explain.
 
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Gburner had some good previous points. I don't consider myself personally a liberal, democrat, or republican. I can't identify with the huge faults in any of their logic anymore...WE the people need some actual representation instead of just exploitation.

And about the dirty hippies throwing feces and such...c'mon. I know alotta guys that fought in Nam, and the reception they got wasn't like that at all. I think that is a lot of hype to descredit the old counter movement. It may have happened with a full ultra violent protestors but most understood it was a DRAFT SITUATION!!!
 
My older sister told me a few months ago...

"I used to be a liberal Democrat. Then i went to work for the welfare department. That's when i found out how bad the liberal Democrats have screwed this state, and the rest of the country, up. Now i'm a conseritive Republican".
 
I'm sorry...what was your point? Was it that the people quoted had too much to lose to enlist yet remain vocal in support of our efforts and in that they're hypocrites or is it that you would face felony incarceration, a dishnorable discharge and a substantial financial penalty if you didn't go? Everyone has reasons for the choices that they make. For whatever reason, you signed your name on the dotted line; the others didn't. Please explain.

LOL.... anybody can talk the talk and wave a flag.

As far as a welcome home it consisted of me driving back to my house was all I wanted and was what I did.. As far as going it didnt have anything to do with not going because of penalties. I had over 20 years a long time ago and could have retired in 1995 if I had wanted to..lol. In fact before our rotation was up I had developed a medical condition the Doc wanted to evac me to Germany, I talked him into letting me stay with my guys and finish out my tour. I beleive in the old skool style of leadership. No one knew about my medical conditon except me and the Doc. The XO told me I had to go home on the Advance party, I even asked not to leave my guys, the answer was no. However, the Brigade Commander put and end to that saying I was needed for the turnover to the incomming unit. Had plenty of chances to leave early but didnt. so your barkin up the wrong tree there fella.

We had folks that volunteered to get into our unit...who didnt have to go. Our unit wasnt even on the list to go. We were handselected because the unit on the list couldnt stand up and the Commander over there knew about our unit and its reputation. We only had one person not ship and that was due to a medical condition. We arived at the Mob Station on Jan 3 and completed our training by Jan 14 and were validated to ship overseas. Our unit was even recommeded for the Meritorius Unit Citation because of our performance by our Active Duty Headquarters. LOL..I had plenty of time to slide in the retirement papers before the Mob Order came. In fact most of us Senior NCOs Reenlisted after the Mob order for another 6 years including me. For some life is about penalties for me it is about duty.

There is a difference in supporting the troops and a political administration. Supporting the troops does not mean blindly following the whims of a political party. Learn the difference.

P.S. I still support the troops by working with a Family Readiness Group. Assiting soldiers families with problems and advice. If you have units in your area that are in the Global war on Terrorism you should look into assiting the Family Groups there in your area.
 
I'm not barkin' at anything. I'm tying to understand where you're coming from. You set up a strawman argument with an apocryphal story about stereotype, well off, college kids being pro war/pro Bush but choosing not to sign up because of their current or future plans and juxtapose it against your own story, one of humble, self denial and perserverance. Neither scenario is representative of the whole picture. I don't understand the point of the comparison. Are you the posterboy for liberals shouldering the load so that silver spoon, conservative college kids can go on with their lives unmolested? Please.

'Anybody can talk the talk and wave a flag'. That type of comment betrays an elitist arrogance. Are you jeering at folks who still have the ability to exercise their choice, to join or not, to speak out or not? Are you telling everyone who hasn't served to STFU because their opinion don't mean squat? Are you somehow better than them? Do you not comprehend that life goes on; that people who don't actively serve do what they can at home to support? Get over yourself.

Bottom line is you signed up and had to make good on your commitment. There is no draft and folks still have a choice to join or not. I know its not politically correct among you liberals but, last time I checked, free speech guarentees were still in effect. We need flag wavers and supporters just as much as we need soldiers.
 
ew... such an angry attitude there.

I have not told anyone they couldnt speak or STFU . Check out any of my posts here and other places and I support the right to free speech and other rights.

I just get tired of folks stereotyping liberals....we deserve a voice too and our right to freedom of speech too. Or do you beleive that liberals should STFU and not tell thier opinions?

when the conservatives are just as bad as liberals in thier politics and do the same things they accuse liberals of doing.

Like I said there is a difference between supporting troops and supporting a political administration.

I am far from an elitist...lol. some of my subordinates could tell you that.

If you dont like what I saying put me on Ignore if this place has that option.
 
Not angry atcha nor do I want to ignore what you say. You've 'been there, done that' and I have much respect for your service. I'm just trying to get a handle on what makes you think the way you do.

Stereotyping is a cheap, lazy way to define a group. If you don't like it applied to liberals, you shouldn't apply it to conservatives...btw, Bush is no conservative but many of us choose to be in that camp given the other option.

My comments and observations about liberals are based on my personal history and experience. If they seem to you to have the effect of stereotyping the left then perhaps you should realize a couple of things. First, observations that tend to shed less than favorable light are often put down using negative labels...partisan, myopic, steroetyping, profiling, sexist, racist, etc. These labels are misused so often in the 'culture of victimhood' that their true meanings have been blurred beyond recognition. They also have the effect of muzzling free speech and limiting dialogue... ie. you don't like what I say so I'm a pariah for saying it and, as such, you don't have to pay attention to the message.
Second, the elite masters of the liberal movement do more damage to the cause of patriotic, progressive Americans than any alleged stereotyping by conservatives. Your leaders in politics, entertainment, academia and the media are your own worst enemies. Their daily message is one of hating America, casting the US as villians on the world stage, whittling away our personal rights as it sells out our soveriegnty to extra legal world bodies. Perhaps you need to look toward cleaning your own house before pointing fingers at those who advise you on how dirty it is. Denial is a terrible thing.

Have a great day. :)
 
Gitmo Gate, Texas National Guard Gate, Karl Gate, Lost Weapons Gate, WMD Gate, Bin Ladin Gate, Cowboy Gate, Sec. Of Def. Gate and the list could go on. I am just wondering why it's so important for the Liberals and the media work hand in hand to try to discredit the president's every move?

I pretty much agree with butch on this.

But I'll add that it seems to me as if the media is constantly trying to find its next Watergate - and every single reporter wants to be "the reporter" that breaks "the scandal" wide open.

I'll also add that Clinton and, heck, Kerry had plenty of -gates of their own.

And by the way, how freaking annoying is it that every single issue becomes a "-gate"? Grr.
 
Elite masters of Conservatives and Liberals do mucho damage. I used to be a very Conservative Republican. But after a while you have to ask yourself some questions about stuff. I couldnt live with some of the stuff this administration is doing. Prescription Drug program for one. They promise these wonderful cards to the elder to give them a discount on drugs which is good. Then they deny states and government the right to do competitive bidding to to help with medicine costs. Then drug companies raise thier prices.

While I was overseas what do I read but that Bush and Rumsfeld would like to cut our Immenint Danger and Family Seperation pay. Then add on top of that the body armor and vehicle armor boondoggle. how many families would have thier spouses/parents if this had been done in a more expedient manner.
They took thier time. You still have vehicles that are unarmored. You had troops buying thier own body armor. When Mr. Rumsfeld goes to Bahgdad he rides in a nice armored vehicle called a Rhino.

We have where additonal funds for the VA for Global War on Terrorism vets. It came up it was voted down on the first vote... That should have been a no brainer for any politician.

Bush even fought concurrent reciept for veterans until he stuck his finger in the air and felt the breeze blowing the other way.

Bush even wanted to cut back the veterans on home loans by only letting it be a one time deal so the private mortgage companies could get in on the action.

When an Iraqi veteran gets back here and he has PTSD he will be lucky if he gets to see the VA Doc every 4-6 months in my town. if you throw these guys in the war yhou ought to take care of em after they get back.

Not to mention that the Bush Administration IMO has mucked up the Iraq situation. If wasnt for our great guys and gals in the military keeping the lid on this admnistration would be deep in the hole. The credit for the successes in Iraq goes to the military people not to the pols in the beltway.

Not every Conservative Republican is that way, but enough are so that the main interest seems to be in the bottom line $$$ not people.

Just in good conscience couldnt go that way anymore.

Why I am a Liberal today.

Even as a Liberal I try to do the right thing. I criticized folks for harping on Bush about the Air National Guard, As far as I was concerend he got his walking papers fair and square. However, we then see some Conservative Republicans drag McCain through the mud. Then a Republican Conservative Group does the same to thing to Kerry. Everybody involved in any of that was wrong..wrong... no matter how you justify it.

I have no complaints with the way the prisoners are being treated in Guantonomo. I do have complaints against legal rights being denied to anyone.

I try to police my fellow liberals and keep em honest as well as conservatives. You conservatives should strive to do the same and clean up the muck and mess all of them have created.

Love me or hate I dont care got to go with my conscience.
 
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