SmokeyLonesome
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Seriously looking for a good 30-30 rifle. Would love to buy a pre 64 Winchester, but my pockets aren't that deep. Any thoughts?
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PatientWolf
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Price range?
If you are patient and persistently visit the local gun stores you may find that pre 64. I have seen a few that I thought were reasonable, but didn’t have the cash at the time. The point is they do pop up, especially after hunting season, and occasionally before as people replace their firearms.
Alternatively, you can usually find Marlin JM stamp or the Marlin off-labels such as Western at pretty good prices.
If you are patient and persistently visit the local gun stores you may find that pre 64. I have seen a few that I thought were reasonable, but didn’t have the cash at the time. The point is they do pop up, especially after hunting season, and occasionally before as people replace their firearms.
Alternatively, you can usually find Marlin JM stamp or the Marlin off-labels such as Western at pretty good prices.
Dusty Rivers
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Marlin
Marlin 336 manufactured in North Haven CT JM barrel stamp.
Marlin 336 manufactured in North Haven CT JM barrel stamp.
stagpanther
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I took a chance and bought a recently-made 336 at wally world--very well equipped and shoots good enough within the practical range of 30-30. No real complaints. Well made and well equipped, cost under $500.
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Do not overlook
Keep a weather eye out for the department store mutts as I like to call them.
Sears, Montgomery Wards, Western Auto, and many more sold models that were similar to the same gun with the manufacturer's name on it vs. the Dept. store.
In many cases it may be that the gun lacks checkering, perhaps a lower grade of wood, etc, etc.
Bottom line is the inherent goodness is still there. It just might be hiding under a Dept. store name, that name generally equals a good price.
The finest rifle I own is a Dept store mutt. JC Higgins (Sears) model 50 in .270 it's a commercial FN Mauser action with a High Standard barrel with chrome lined bore.
A rifle of equivalent quality would be well over a grand today.
Keep a weather eye out for the department store mutts as I like to call them.
Sears, Montgomery Wards, Western Auto, and many more sold models that were similar to the same gun with the manufacturer's name on it vs. the Dept. store.
In many cases it may be that the gun lacks checkering, perhaps a lower grade of wood, etc, etc.
Bottom line is the inherent goodness is still there. It just might be hiding under a Dept. store name, that name generally equals a good price.
The finest rifle I own is a Dept store mutt. JC Higgins (Sears) model 50 in .270 it's a commercial FN Mauser action with a High Standard barrel with chrome lined bore.
A rifle of equivalent quality would be well over a grand today.
LineStretcher
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A new model 94 will run you 1200.00. Keep that in your mind when you're looking at used. I bought a pre 64 Model 94 in 30-30 at an estate sale. My close inspection say's it's been a safe gun most of it's life. It was a 1963 in what I would consider perfect condition. They were asking 800.00, I offered 700.00 and they took it. They accepted the offer quickly so I'm sure I could have offered less.
bamaranger
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choice
Win M94's have jumped significantly in price since they went out of mainstream production, no matter what era.
The Win rival, the Marlin 336, is still priced halfway decent, and I see examples of them (used) in most shops I frequent. The Marlin will clean easier (from the breech) and most models will scope easier due to side eject and factory tapped.
If I were shopping for a shooter and hunter, though I like the Win heritage and its lines, I'd buy a Marlin.
Win M94's have jumped significantly in price since they went out of mainstream production, no matter what era.
The Win rival, the Marlin 336, is still priced halfway decent, and I see examples of them (used) in most shops I frequent. The Marlin will clean easier (from the breech) and most models will scope easier due to side eject and factory tapped.
If I were shopping for a shooter and hunter, though I like the Win heritage and its lines, I'd buy a Marlin.
A pre 64 model 94 will start at about $500 on the used market. They are out there if you look.
I really think the older Marlins are better rifles anyway and they can be found in the $300-$350 range. Over the years Marlin tweaked the stock design on their levers and I really like the 1970's and pre safety 1980's rifles stock best. They went to the safety in I think 1988. If you subtract the 1st 2 digits of the SN from 100 you get the year of manufacture on the pre Remlin rifles. A SN starting in 13 would be 1987 and one starting in 28 would be 1972.
The best of both worlds are the Marlins with a straight grip like Winchester used. They are a little harder to find, but worth the effort. You can find a pistol gripped Marlin in every pawnshop.
I really think the older Marlins are better rifles anyway and they can be found in the $300-$350 range. Over the years Marlin tweaked the stock design on their levers and I really like the 1970's and pre safety 1980's rifles stock best. They went to the safety in I think 1988. If you subtract the 1st 2 digits of the SN from 100 you get the year of manufacture on the pre Remlin rifles. A SN starting in 13 would be 1987 and one starting in 28 would be 1972.
The best of both worlds are the Marlins with a straight grip like Winchester used. They are a little harder to find, but worth the effort. You can find a pistol gripped Marlin in every pawnshop.
There are tons of used 30/30s in 94 Wins & Marlin 336s from $300 up. I get them all the time and have a hard time turning them over. The older JM Marlins
are now collectors items and will bring about same money as pre64 94 Win.
The Marlins easy to scope, Win 94s are lighter but both good shooters.Buying
Marlins made by Remington is a gamble that I wouldn't take.
are now collectors items and will bring about same money as pre64 94 Win.
The Marlins easy to scope, Win 94s are lighter but both good shooters.Buying
Marlins made by Remington is a gamble that I wouldn't take.
44caliberkid
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Don't forget Marlin 1893's. Predecessor of the 336. Lots on GB and other websites. Could be the chance to get a vintage gun more economically.
Jack O'Conner
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Mossberg builds a good carbine for a fair price which appears very similar to the Winchester 94. Mine features a 16 inch barrel, laminated stock, and Marine-coat finish which is ideal for hunting here in tropical Florida. The empty cases are ejected out the side. 30-30 is a keeper!
Jack
Jack
I agree. I won't even take them in unless I get into it at a very good price. Everybody says they want one, but nobody wants to pony up the dollars for one when they can get a good used Remington 700 or a Savage 110 for the same money. The generation that grew up on Gunsmoke and Bonanza are dying, and there are bunches of old Winchesters online for $400-$500ish. Of course, they're not making any more of them, and there's still enough demand so the price stays pretty constant. I would say Jack O'Conner's suggestion for a Mossberg might work.
I owned both a Marlin 336 and Winchester 94 about 35 years ago, however, neither of them really impressed me as the Marlin's stock was too bulky with a ok action and the Winchester's action a trigger were too floppy. Anyway, starting a family at the time meant I needed to sell them so out they went.
A few years ago with the kids grown and me retired with time and money to enjoy again, I looked for another 'thudy-thudy' for my collection. No reason, just that I wanted one so I looked at the Marlins and Winchesters again and they were the same.
I too checked out a new Mossberg 464 just for kicks. A traditional walnut stocked, blued carbine, and was surprised at it's feel and fit. It was after their early issues with the ejector were resolved so I gave it a try and I was pleasantly surprised.
The action was a bit stiff at first, however, an evening of cycling it while watching the tube smoothed it out just fine and I now have a great little shooter with a surprisingly decent trigger. The stock Marbles sights it comes with are the same I added to my Rossi 357mag carbine so I was good with them.
It's a great find at a fair price. I'm totally happy with it even 500rds later.
A few years ago with the kids grown and me retired with time and money to enjoy again, I looked for another 'thudy-thudy' for my collection. No reason, just that I wanted one so I looked at the Marlins and Winchesters again and they were the same.
I too checked out a new Mossberg 464 just for kicks. A traditional walnut stocked, blued carbine, and was surprised at it's feel and fit. It was after their early issues with the ejector were resolved so I gave it a try and I was pleasantly surprised.
The action was a bit stiff at first, however, an evening of cycling it while watching the tube smoothed it out just fine and I now have a great little shooter with a surprisingly decent trigger. The stock Marbles sights it comes with are the same I added to my Rossi 357mag carbine so I was good with them.
It's a great find at a fair price. I'm totally happy with it even 500rds later.
Sure Shot Mc Gee
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Winchester pre 64 ownership. I own a few and seldom if ever shoot mine. There strictly a investment. And likely will remain so in this family. (just a investment) Especially so when the shooting sports folks are willing to pay whatever asked to have one.
If wanting something that will garner a steep return price someday. Marlin isn't quite yet in that category but Savage 99s certainly are. If I were to start over and I wanting a lever 30-30. A must have {side loading gate} means little to me. I would want a accurate rifle. A lever rifle that is a pleasure to shoot having been built by my U.S. of A. neighbors. Henry Mossberg Marlin _in that order (for the time being.) is too my liking.
If wanting something that will garner a steep return price someday. Marlin isn't quite yet in that category but Savage 99s certainly are. If I were to start over and I wanting a lever 30-30. A must have {side loading gate} means little to me. I would want a accurate rifle. A lever rifle that is a pleasure to shoot having been built by my U.S. of A. neighbors. Henry Mossberg Marlin _in that order (for the time being.) is too my liking.
While it's 1.3lbs lighter than the brass framed Henry 30-30 at an even 7lbs, it's still heavier than my Mossberg and most of all, it doesn't have a side loading gate. Pulling out the tube and pointing the muzzle up to load it in the field is a non-starter for me no matter how much it weighs. However, YMMV
stagpanther
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I bought a mossberg patriot rifle a couple of years ago and was also surprised at the quality of materials, manufacture and functionality at it's price point--they seemed to have really stepped up their game.
I caught a pre-64 at a pawn shop fifteen years ago was in good condition for $200 OTD. I picked up a nice Westfield at the same shop a couple years ago for $200 as well. You can find some nice ones at the pawn shops if you are patient and are willing to walk away from a bad deal. Cash is king at these shops.