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Lets not shoot ourselves in the foot people
- Thread starter funinsun
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I totally agree!
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George Hill
Staff Alumnus
Look at the fall out of this in regards to the Democratic party.
I know several democrats who have said that these actions and motions and recounting the recounts have turned them off the part.
They claim to be turning independant now.
I know several democrats who have said that these actions and motions and recounting the recounts have turned them off the part.
They claim to be turning independant now.
I agree with the upbeat comments. Why is everyone else so gloomy? RKBA is already a bigger winner in this election than at any time since 1984, no matter who ultimately wins. This is true for three reasons.
First, the Democrats have learned that Gun Control is more of a liability than an asset. To the extent that he couldn’t avoid the issue altogether, Gore went to great lengths the last couple of months of the campaign to split the RKBA vote with reassurances that he didn’t want to take away any hunter’s guns. But it wasn’t enough to keep large number of union voters from listening to the NRA. Look at what happened in West Virginia, which almost always votes Democratic. If I were a union leader, I would insist that the Democrats drop gun control if they want me to deliver the vote. I don’t know if the Democrats are smart enough to abandon this issue, but what have they got to lose? I don’t think HCI is going to run to the Republicans. In short, I think both parties will want to stay away from this issue in the near future unless they think their position is very strong.
Which brings me to my second point. Regardless of who wins, his position is going to be tenuous, at best. I hope the legal challenges to this vote continue long into the next presidency, no matter who wins. This will keep the winner’s focus on retaining his office rather than trying to push his pet programs. Without a clear mandate, the new president will have a major problem getting anything at all done, much less pushing through any legislation on something as controversial as gun control. I don’t think they will even try. This gridlock is only bad if you hoped new legislation would be passed which reverses previous laws. Does anyone think even Bush was going to do that? I have great confidence in the ability of the American people to run their daily lives without any leadership from DC. So the leadership vacuum that this gridlock will cause doesn’t worry me.
Third, the Congress is almost evenly split. This also works to keep any new gun control legislation off the books, since for anything to pass, it is going to have to have bipartisan support. Bipartisan support requires that one stay away from controversial issues.
I believe a clear Gore victory would have been a disaster for RKBA. I also believe Bush would have allowed some lesser “reasonable” laws to take effect, thus pushing us down the road toward confiscation, but at a much slower pace. Like everyone here, I would much prefer to reverse the gun control laws on the books. But I’ll happily settle for the current situation, which presents the greatest possible chance for a complete halt in new gun laws of all the possible alternatives we faced going into this election. In short, RKBA has already won a great victory. We should all be celebrating.
First, the Democrats have learned that Gun Control is more of a liability than an asset. To the extent that he couldn’t avoid the issue altogether, Gore went to great lengths the last couple of months of the campaign to split the RKBA vote with reassurances that he didn’t want to take away any hunter’s guns. But it wasn’t enough to keep large number of union voters from listening to the NRA. Look at what happened in West Virginia, which almost always votes Democratic. If I were a union leader, I would insist that the Democrats drop gun control if they want me to deliver the vote. I don’t know if the Democrats are smart enough to abandon this issue, but what have they got to lose? I don’t think HCI is going to run to the Republicans. In short, I think both parties will want to stay away from this issue in the near future unless they think their position is very strong.
Which brings me to my second point. Regardless of who wins, his position is going to be tenuous, at best. I hope the legal challenges to this vote continue long into the next presidency, no matter who wins. This will keep the winner’s focus on retaining his office rather than trying to push his pet programs. Without a clear mandate, the new president will have a major problem getting anything at all done, much less pushing through any legislation on something as controversial as gun control. I don’t think they will even try. This gridlock is only bad if you hoped new legislation would be passed which reverses previous laws. Does anyone think even Bush was going to do that? I have great confidence in the ability of the American people to run their daily lives without any leadership from DC. So the leadership vacuum that this gridlock will cause doesn’t worry me.
Third, the Congress is almost evenly split. This also works to keep any new gun control legislation off the books, since for anything to pass, it is going to have to have bipartisan support. Bipartisan support requires that one stay away from controversial issues.
I believe a clear Gore victory would have been a disaster for RKBA. I also believe Bush would have allowed some lesser “reasonable” laws to take effect, thus pushing us down the road toward confiscation, but at a much slower pace. Like everyone here, I would much prefer to reverse the gun control laws on the books. But I’ll happily settle for the current situation, which presents the greatest possible chance for a complete halt in new gun laws of all the possible alternatives we faced going into this election. In short, RKBA has already won a great victory. We should all be celebrating.
Lonnie Jaycox
New member
While things did not go well here in MO, I do think the gun control people got a lot of that big wind knocked out of their sails. I would have liked to see one of the traditionally Dem. states go Rep. because of the NRA work, but we did cause some sleeplessness among the Dems in states they used to teke for granted. No one will be able to do much politically until the mid term elections--we need to use this time to ORGANIZE--these fallow political times should be the time of our most intense activity.
In order to not shoot yourself in the foot, do not pull the trigger until your gun is fully drawn and pointed downrange.
Actually, instead of worrying to much about the national election, lets work locally to prevent more controls at that level. Kind of like the TQM, high performance work team approach, if you get the locals supporting your effort, you can have a trickle up effect. The locals are you senators, representatives and local government. It is an easier bone to chew on for starters so to speak.
Actually, instead of worrying to much about the national election, lets work locally to prevent more controls at that level. Kind of like the TQM, high performance work team approach, if you get the locals supporting your effort, you can have a trickle up effect. The locals are you senators, representatives and local government. It is an easier bone to chew on for starters so to speak.
TheBluesMan
Moderator Emeritus
RobertR makes a great point.
Where did our national representatives come from anyway? Usually they were state legislators, or governors. Before that, they were mayors of major cities or county council members. Before that, they were judges, or township trustees, or sherriffs, or prosecutors, or selectmen.
The point being that we should help to elect the right people to the little, seemingly insignificant positions in local government. In ten years one of them could be a Senator or Governor.
The trickle up theory. Good show, Robert!
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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4
Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
Where did our national representatives come from anyway? Usually they were state legislators, or governors. Before that, they were mayors of major cities or county council members. Before that, they were judges, or township trustees, or sherriffs, or prosecutors, or selectmen.
The point being that we should help to elect the right people to the little, seemingly insignificant positions in local government. In ten years one of them could be a Senator or Governor.
The trickle up theory. Good show, Robert!
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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4
Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website