I need the advice of LEO's and Firearms Instructors.
Today I was in my local "Big Person Toy Store" (Gunstore) and saw something that bothered me.
Two federal employees, (LEO's), were looking at rifles and talking shop. One was already a Firearms Instructor and was trained at FT. Benning, so I know she knows better. The other one was saying that she is going to Instuctor School shortly.
What bothered me was that at no time did either person check the chamber of the rifles they were handed. The store employee checked them, closed the action and then proceeded to pass them the rifle. This bothers me from a safety standpoint.
The one that was trained at Benning, I know she knows better, as I am quite familiar with the quality of instruction given there to federal LEO's. The one that is going to be an Instructor should've learned firearms safety at FLETC.
Has the standard of safety in federal law enforcement degraded to such a point that the general safety rules no longer apply? I am half tempted to call OIG and lodge a complaint. I don't see this as something to be fired over, but I do see this as something that shouldn't be ignored.
I realize we all make mistakes, but some are less forgivable than others, and to me this is one of them. I don't care if you, the store clerk and Jesus Christ himself checks that chamber, it's still loaded until I check it.
Having recently been to L.F.I. 1 I was very impressed with the no-nonsense approach to safety rules. I have enough info to get O.I.G. started, and it would be easy to determine who they were, although I didn't get any names. When I am handed a firearm in a gunstore, action closed or open makes no matter, I check that firearm to determine if it's loaded or not.
Years ago, when I first started carrying a gun, gun store clerks would hand you the weapon with the action open. Now days, it seems that they all hand you the weapon with the action closed. To me, this is a violation of safety rules, but I can understand why they may do that.
After 100 Bozo's flipping the cylinder shut on your revolvers or running the slide home on your autoloaders I can see why a gun store may want to hand an unknown person a firearm with the action closed. I would think that one of them, already being an agency firearms instructor would know better, and like I said, I'm familiar with the quality of instruction she received. So, I know she knows better.
My problem is, do I call and complain or not. I hate to see the "dumbing down" of firearms training and dumb instructors. I do not feel there is room for error in this matter and I would hate for students of these people to see or hear about poor gun safety by these instructors. Who knows what bad safety habits they are displaying to others? If their students see it, they will think it's OK to do what they do, as the Instructors are doing it.
Like it or not, they made themselves known as F.I.'s and I think they do a disservice to many good F.I's out there by the manners they displayed. They didn't hide who they were, and even boasted about it. So, what's the general advice of the members here, particularly LEO's and F.I.'s?
Biker
Today I was in my local "Big Person Toy Store" (Gunstore) and saw something that bothered me.
Two federal employees, (LEO's), were looking at rifles and talking shop. One was already a Firearms Instructor and was trained at FT. Benning, so I know she knows better. The other one was saying that she is going to Instuctor School shortly.
What bothered me was that at no time did either person check the chamber of the rifles they were handed. The store employee checked them, closed the action and then proceeded to pass them the rifle. This bothers me from a safety standpoint.
The one that was trained at Benning, I know she knows better, as I am quite familiar with the quality of instruction given there to federal LEO's. The one that is going to be an Instructor should've learned firearms safety at FLETC.
Has the standard of safety in federal law enforcement degraded to such a point that the general safety rules no longer apply? I am half tempted to call OIG and lodge a complaint. I don't see this as something to be fired over, but I do see this as something that shouldn't be ignored.
I realize we all make mistakes, but some are less forgivable than others, and to me this is one of them. I don't care if you, the store clerk and Jesus Christ himself checks that chamber, it's still loaded until I check it.
Having recently been to L.F.I. 1 I was very impressed with the no-nonsense approach to safety rules. I have enough info to get O.I.G. started, and it would be easy to determine who they were, although I didn't get any names. When I am handed a firearm in a gunstore, action closed or open makes no matter, I check that firearm to determine if it's loaded or not.
Years ago, when I first started carrying a gun, gun store clerks would hand you the weapon with the action open. Now days, it seems that they all hand you the weapon with the action closed. To me, this is a violation of safety rules, but I can understand why they may do that.
After 100 Bozo's flipping the cylinder shut on your revolvers or running the slide home on your autoloaders I can see why a gun store may want to hand an unknown person a firearm with the action closed. I would think that one of them, already being an agency firearms instructor would know better, and like I said, I'm familiar with the quality of instruction she received. So, I know she knows better.
My problem is, do I call and complain or not. I hate to see the "dumbing down" of firearms training and dumb instructors. I do not feel there is room for error in this matter and I would hate for students of these people to see or hear about poor gun safety by these instructors. Who knows what bad safety habits they are displaying to others? If their students see it, they will think it's OK to do what they do, as the Instructors are doing it.
Like it or not, they made themselves known as F.I.'s and I think they do a disservice to many good F.I's out there by the manners they displayed. They didn't hide who they were, and even boasted about it. So, what's the general advice of the members here, particularly LEO's and F.I.'s?
Biker