Legislators shoot down Daley, gov's gun-control bills

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Legislators shoot down Daley, gov's gun-control bills

April 15, 2005

BY DAVE MCKINNEY AND BEN FISCHER Sun-Times Springfield Bureau

SPRINGFIELD -- Illinois lawmakers Thursday mowed down a series of major gun-control bills favored by Gov. Blagojevich and Mayor Daley during a marathon day of legislative sausage-making.

Lawmakers also voted to let bettors purchase lottery tickets over the Internet, took aim at the dinner table delicacy of foie gras and derailed an effort to preserve private high school dominance over public schools in post-season sports tournaments.

Facing today's deadline to pass bills, the House and Senate churned well into the evening Thursday, with the biggest news of the day involving the fate of the gun initiatives.

NRA-backed bill passes Senate

By a 37-21 vote, the Senate overwhelmingly approved a National Rifle Association-backed package that would require purchasers at gun shows to undergo criminal background checks, force the State Police to destroy those background records after 90 days and scrap most local gun-control laws outside Chicago. That bill moves to the House, but its fate there appeared in doubt after House members rejected an identical NRA-backed bill by a 63-50 vote with 71 votes needed for passage.

The same lack of legislative choreography stymied a stripped-down bill favored by gun-control advocates that dealt strictly with the gun-show issue. By a 63-51 vote, the House approved and sent to the Senate legislation requiring criminal background checks on buyers at gun shows, but the Senate shot down an identical measure 26-29, four votes shy of 30 needed for passage.

Separate efforts to hold gun makers liable for shooting deaths and injuries and to give towns the ability to declare gun shops public nuisances also lost in the Senate by 24-31 votes, six votes shy of the minimum needed for passage.

And finally, a bid to limit gun purchases to one a month collapsed on a 20-34 Senate roll call, with 30 votes needed for passage.

Attempts to institute an assault weapons ban, an initiative being pushed aggressively by Blagojevich, remained in legislative dry dock.

"Chicago Democrats run everything, and yet Chicago has prevailed on nothing," NRA lobbyist Todd Vandermyde said.

Blagojevich praised the House for passing the gun show loophole bill and blocking the NRA's attempts to destroy background check information and undo local gun-control laws.

Bill to reverse IHSA plan rejected

On other fronts, a House panel rejected highly charged legislation that would undo an Illinois High School Association rule change that would match up private high schools against much bigger public schools in post-season tournaments. The proposal fell seven votes short of 11 needed to pass out of a House panel, with members doubting the wisdom of injecting state law into a private organization's decision-making.

Employing a full-court press Thursday at the Capitol, the IHSA aggressively defended its rules change, saying the plan was part of a careful debate within its membership designed to level the playing field between private and public schools in high-school sports.

"I can assure you more work went into this by the IHSA staff than most bills that happen in the House," said Dan Conner, the principal at Clinton High School and a member of the IHSA board.

Unless the IHSA reverses itself before next year, any school without a defined geographic district and more than 450 students will be considered the equal of much larger traditional public district schools.

Senate OKs Internet lottery sales

The coalition of legislators fighting against the so-called "enrollment multiplier" promised more pressure on the IHSA in the days leading up to its next board meeting April 26 in Bloomington.

Meanwhile, the Senate endorsed a pilot program to sell lottery tickets over the Internet, an initiative backers said could yield the state as much as $100 million a year. The measure sponsored by Sen. John Cullerton (D-Chicago) passed 32-24 and now moves to the House.

Also in the Senate, lawmakers unanimously voted to ban the force-feeding of ducks to fatten their livers to create the delicacy of foie gras. "We're not going to do this to the birds,'' said Sen. Kathleen Wojcik (R-Schaumburg), the bill's sponsor. "We're very humane in this state, and we're going to stay that way."
 
Thanks for the post!

After very recently exercising my 2nd amendment right for the first time in my life, I have been watching Illinois legislation very carefully. I am VERY interested to see what happens with the CCW bills.
 
By a 37-21 vote, the Senate overwhelmingly approved a National Rifle Association-backed package that would require purchasers at gun shows to undergo criminal background checks, force the State Police to destroy those background records after 90 days and scrap most local gun-control laws outside Chicago. That bill moves to the House, but its fate there appeared in doubt after House members rejected an identical NRA-backed bill by a 63-50 vote with 71 votes needed for passage.

Just another example of why the NRA-ILA doesn't get my money anymore.
Requiring a background check between private party transactions implies obtaining government permission to sell your own property. Additionally, records kept on any computer for more than 10-12 hours can be copied to other media and that information used to compile databases. Unless carefully worded and restricted, that 90-day destruction is meaningless. And what good is a "state preemption" law that carves out an exception for the city who's citizens most need the right to protect themselves?

I might ... might... believe that the NRA's plan was to counter the anti-gun bills and force a standoff where nothing passes into law, theirs or ours.
 
I agree with ALMOST everything Bill said, except "for more than 10-12 hours."

This should be reworded as:

"Additionally, records kept on any computer can be copied to other media and that information used to compile databases." The provision is unenforceable, period.
 
That guy doesn't quite get it. :scrutiny:

Blagojevich may be pushing the assault weapons ban behind the scenes NOW, but back when there was a lot more public debate on it he was nowhere to be seen. His message has been sent in all caps:

"RE-ELECTION IS HARD ENOUGH WITHOUT YOU IDIOTS ASKING ME TO BAN GUNS IN PUBLIC. Now leave me alone; I need to figure out how long the jail term for possession of Unreal Tournament 2004 should be."


The NRA, on the other hand, is still the biggest bunch in the room, but they're in real danger of becoming irrelevant in Illinois. The grassroots far outpaces them in Illinois, which says more about the weakness of the NRA here than the strength of the grassroots, I think. I didn't know they supported the "instant check" bill, but apparently, the House reps aren't listening either, because I'm hearing that one doesn't have a chance.

I don't dislike the NRA, but at this point in Illinois, they do their thing and individuals do ours.

As far as I know, they got absolutely nothing for us in return for these checks, so what was the purpose of supporting such a measure? To look good to people who hate the NRA anyway? Did they trade something away from us to make a gain for, say, ABATE?
(I'm not saying that's the case at all, only that the NRA's lobbyist, Vandermyde, used to work for others at the same time as the NRA. ABATE was one, and some of his best buddies in the legislature loved ABATE and hated us. I don't even know if he still works for more than one client.)
 
Don,

By your siggy I assume that you belong to your states grass roots. That is what I've been doing, sending as much money and printing out business cards with my grass roots organization (OFF) name and number that I give out.

The large groups like the NRA, besides their great education assets like Eddie Eagle, are compromising too much. They may be the largest but they've lost track of their goals and money is the name of the game now. If there were no laws against our Rights, there would be no money and therefore, alot of people would be out of a job.

Grass roots on the other hand spends the money on ensuring that our gun rights aren't totally eroded. They don't spend the money on selling t-shirts or coffee mugs. They don't spend the money on opening up private firing ranges. All the money is spent on fighting for our rights.

The brady bunch and vpc know that they, at the moment, can't win at federal level and have taken their "fight" to state levels. So therefore, at the moment the NRA and others are not the organizations that should be overly funded but the grass roots are the ones fighting for us at the moment and money should go toward them IMHO.

Wayne
 
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