Lee Auto Breech Lock Pro outfitted

Real Gun

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These pics show the press mounted on the Inline Fabrication Junior Ultramount with Quick change plate and special catch bin hanger just developed for this press. Lee accessories include the older style powder measure with riser, and the case feeder with collator top. The primer feed is sold separately and is the newer style introduced last year. I have done Lee's suggested mod to fix the issue of dropping primers. See their support web pages.
 

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That looks nice.
Can you give us here a review of the press operation .. pros and cons.

There 112.00 at the LGS.

Thanks
 
I believe you would be in for at least $300 with everything pictured, but parts already owned except the older style primer feed are compatible.

I don't know about reviews. Should you buy one?...probably, if just loading handgun in shell plates offered. Four stations should usually do it. It works fine. I have a Pro1000, a classic cast turret, and gave away my Loadmaster. This new press is where I would like to have started.

I also wish I had started with the Ultramount Junior, because this version allows the primer catch to be off the edge instead of needing a hole in the bench for the tube.

I do not intend to use a bullet feeder, but the one dedicated to 9mm on the Pro1000 works okay with the right optional size fingers for the bullet length.

For now, this new setup is dedicated to 38 Special cowboy. I have only the one shell plate. My Hornady LnL AP and turret take care of most everything else. The Hornady with case feeder is setup to process 357 magnum cowboy for my rifle. Those two cowboy cartridges are the ones I use in volume for now and sometimes needed quickly to avoid having too much brass in rotation.
 
Real Gun, very glad you posted this as I am on the fence as to buy this or the new 4 hole Value Press. Not sure if you've seen my posts, https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597163

Like you I have a Pro1000 and a Lee 3 hole turret press that I do most of my loading on only I find I need a press with a 4th station for the FCD for a 45acp Witness that I have trouble with. Tired of running these 45acp thru the Pro1000 and then have to run them in the single stage press with the FCD.

Also like you I have most of what is needed to move from the Pro1000 to the Breech Lock Pro and most likely the press would be dedicated.
 
I have what you are calling the value turret and upgraded to the classic cast for more acceptable spent primer containment. To me, the new Auto Breech Lock Pro (Pro4000) combines the best ideas from the Pro1000 and the turrets of either grade, more or less a hybrid. I am not sure why some want to call this a "semi-progressive", since I don't see anything semi- about it. I consider the case feeder very compelling to keep the hand on the handle instead of placing brass and not maintaining a rhythm. Placing bullets with the other hand doesn't have to be manual, but I would choose that for lead bullets.
 
That looks nice.
Can you give us here a review of the press operation .. pros and cons.

There 112.00 at the LGS.

Thanks

I've had one for a couple months.

Cons, so far, only that I had expended large primers get stuck starting down the chute, and start to build up. Die spacing is pretty tight.

Pros, much more reliable than I have found either the Pro 1000 or Loadmaster. No index adjustment! Swapping out the shell plate is dead easy.

I'm not a big fan yet of the Breech Lock quick change die system.

I think Lee's decision to go with the manually operated Safety Prime system was a good decision.

Compared to the Classic Turret (which I was expecting Lee to use as a base for their next progressive), it's not as robust, and the ram is thinner. The primer disposal through the ram doesn't go straight out the bottom, but through a little hole in the side. I had to cut some clearance on my bench to get the tube to clear.

I like it.
 
Real Gun not going to get me to argue semantics. What I find funny though is that when the discussion comes up about progressive presses everyone wants to compare the Dillon 550 to the Loadmaster or the Hornady AP. First off the 550 is only a 4 station press with manual advance while both the others are 5 position with auto advance. Why is it they don't compare those 2 presses to the Dillon in that class, the 650? Is it because the 650 out prices the other two by a whole bunch? Not that I'm knocking the 550 because I do believe it is a fine press. But it is also in a class alone. No one else makes anything like it. But that is just my point of view.

Anyways I have been talking with my brother to try and get him to take a road trip with me up to Titan to actually look at these presses in person and then compare to the new Value Turret press. Wife has already turned me down and I even offered to buy dinner!

The Safety Prime system is a one time purchase so it then comes down to caliber changes. The new Turret is just a matter of buying a new die set and a spare turret. The Pro4000 involves a shell plate and breech lock bushings which about amounts to the cost of a set of Lee dies.

Still undecided!
 
Real Gun not going to get me to argue semantics. What I find funny though is that when the discussion comes up about progressive presses everyone wants to compare the Dillon 550 to the Loadmaster or the Hornady AP. First off the 550 is only a 4 station press with manual advance while both the others are 5 position with auto advance. Why is it they don't compare those 2 presses to the Dillon in that class, the 650? Is it because the 650 out prices the other two by a whole bunch? Not that I'm knocking the 550 because I do believe it is a fine press. But it is also in a class alone. No one else makes anything like it. But that is just my point of view.

Anyways I have been talking with my brother to try and get him to take a road trip with me up to Titan to actually look at these presses in person and then compare to the new Value Turret press. Wife has already turned me down and I even offered to buy dinner!

The Safety Prime system is a one time purchase so it then comes down to caliber changes. The new Turret is just a matter of buying a new die set and a spare turret. The Pro4000 involves a shell plate and breech lock bushings which about amounts to the cost of a set of Lee dies.

Still undecided!

That seems like too much agonizing over a few hundred dollars. The perfect decision costs a lot more money. I have to wonder what it is going to take to help you get on with it.

There is no substantial difference in price between the Hornady LnL AP and Dillon 650XL, when both have a case feeder.

The 550 is a legend and could serve anyone well for versatility. I chose auto indexing but respect how well regarded the 550 appears to be.

The costs you are comparing between turret caliber changes and Pro4000 are trivial for someone serious about reloading and able to make those kinds of expenditures without a family meeting. Minor investments are quickly amortized over savings in ammo reloaded versus purchased, depending on the cartridge and the gap between the costs of the two alternatives.
 
Well this looks to be a step in the right direction for Lee, if they are reliable.
I started out with a loadmaster and it was really hard to work with especially the priming system. I sold it when I acquired my first Dillon 650.
Yes Dillon is more expensive but they really back their product. I sent my first 650 in for reconditioning ( it was bought in 1999) and other than the cost to ship it to them they completely rebuilt it and shipped it back for zero cost. That in of itself is huge that a company backs their product to that degree.

Now does that mean that Dillon presses don't have their little problems.. no... but it's minimal and you spend much more time reloading then tinkering around trying to get the press to run such as was the Loadmaster.

Lee was price pointed for the handloader on a tight budget that otherwise would not be able to get into handloading. And for that Lee should be applauded.

I do hope that this new press they have is a quality press. A progressive for 112.00 plus the cost of dies and a shell plate is awesome and that's not a big investment to get into handloading. If Lee put a little more effort into quality control I would buy one.

So do enjoy that new press. Be safe and have fun.
 
The wife tells me all the time that I overthink things. Just find what you want and buy it! Not so much the money as it is that I have a good idea of what my actual usage will be. I mean I could just continue with the way I am going now with the Pro1000 and the FCD in a single stage press it's probably realistically not much more time. I just like the idea of doing this seamlessly.

I guess this is a personal argument between Want and Need. One side says I don't need either one while the other sides say I want one, but which one. I do believe Want is going to Win.
 
Old454 - If Lee put a little more effort into quality control I would buy one.


I am really into Lee for some years now and am not aware of a quality problem. What is a problem is in design and in persistence with a machine that no one but a talented mechanic likes in the Loadmaster. The Pro4000 represents a step forward in design, while still supporting legacy machines.
 
One of the primary reasons I use the Lee presses is because of the simplicity of the designs used in the Pro 1000 and now the Pro 4000. There just isn't a lot of moving parts or adjustments involved with these two presses. Which is one of the reasons I have avoided the Loadmaster.

If I shot more rounds every year than I do now, like twice or more than what I am then I would look into a more serious press, but I don't see that happening.
 
Oh Lee has issues with QC .... I have many things sitting in a box that I need to send back to lee including molds and dies.
 
Oh Lee has issues with QC .... I have many things sitting in a box that I need to send back to lee including molds and dies.

One man's experience. Did you have any issues with presses? Was it ever a hassle or unfair expense to get a fix?
 
All my die sets are Lee, the LCT, several sets of pucks and measures, a few molds, various other gadgets(quick trim, 4-20 bottom pour, etc). Never any issue with any of it.

I like this new press, if I was only loading pistol and small rifle I'd have been all over it for a first press of any kind. It doesn't warrant me trading in my LCT though.
 
I like this new press, if I was only loading pistol and small rifle I'd have been all over it for a first press of any kind. It doesn't warrant me trading in my LCT though.


I am sticking with my LCT because of the investment, fully outfitted, but anything loaded more than 50-100 at a time will get done on a progressive. The output rate of the Pro4000 is significantly higher, and the operator is less busy, given a case feeder. There is a completed cartridge with every lever pull.
 
That seems like too much agonizing over a few hundred dollars.

That’s the way I see it too. If you buy and sell right you will loose very little and might even make a little money trying out every press that interests you then selling off the ones you decided you didn’t like not because of thought or opnion but actual use.
 
Jmorris makes a good point. Just look at prices on eBay to learn why this is so. If you loaded just 1000 rounds on the Lee, the savings over commercial ammunition would pay for the Lee press and it would still be in near-new condition. What you got for it on eBay then would be gravy. You would, of course, keep the dies for the next press you tried out.

The Dillons take more time to pay for themselves, but their finish holds up better than Lee finishes, IME, so you could still have a nearly new looking press after, say, 5,000 rounds if you care for it, keep it clean and lubricate as directed, but you probably don't need to go that far. The lifetime warranty that transfers with Dillon presses keeps the value of them up even when they are not in pristine condition, as the new owner can always send them in for reconditioning, as described by Old454. So they are hard to lose money on.

The 550's manual indexing caused Dillon to rate it as faster than the Square Deal. They claim a coordinated human being can operate the manual index fast enough to beat the fully automatic machine. That never made sense to me. What I do like about manual indexing, though, is the ease of single-loading for load development and making initial die adjustments when setting up the dies on the tool head.
 
Real Gun said:
Oh Lee has issues with QC .... I have many things sitting in a box that I need to send back to lee including molds and dies.
One man's experience. Did you have any issues with presses? Was it ever a hassle or unfair expense to get a fix?
Whatever the product, if there's an issue due to the manufacturer's quality control there should never be an expense (or a hassle) in getting it corrected. Even Harbor Fright Tools just hands you a replacement, no questions asked.
 
They claim a coordinated human being can operate the manual index fast enough to beat the fully automatic machine. That never made sense to me.

Yeah, I can load 100 rounds on an SD that’s ready to go in 9:30, never ran my 550 that fast. The 550 is the fastest to convert, even the priming system though.
 
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