Lead in Venison

Good info and very interesting Simon. Lead traveling that far inside the body cavity is informing. Makes me feel a bit better about just being able to deer hunt with a shotgun rather than rifle in Ohio:). According to study, my el-cheapo Rem. sluggers work fine out of shotgun but now not so sure about the SST`s in the Encore:eek:. Guess its another reason to get that broadside heart/ lung shot so as to not hit heavy bone. Thanks for info. PS. FWIW, No kids or pregnant women(:eek:) in this house I know of, I won`t be throwing my harvested deer away fearing to much lead from bullet regardless of shot placement.
 
I definitely won't be shooting any sheep and eating them. But then I don't own any sheep and don't like mutton anyhow...

I tend to look at articles like this as a continuation of anti hunters attempts to stiffle the sport. If lead in venison was truly a problem we'd have thousands of hunters in the country with lead poisoning issues.
 
If was a problem we would have become extinct many, many years ago. If reading about all these things that are bad worry you....quit reading:rolleyes:
 
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Elemental lead is a non-issue. Lead compounds are the problem (especially organic compounds and lead salts). While the study may show that using lead bullets leads to some amount of lead ingestion, it would be a faulty conclusion to think that ingestion of bullet fragments could cause lead poisoning.

Like global warming, there is a lot of misinformation about lead poisoning. Most of it is politically motivated.
 
Did anybody read the part of the study that said that one of the symptoms is responding on thread websites?

The Doc is out now. :cool:

:D:rolleyes:
 
I CAN tell you that Rem. .44 Mag SJHP's can really come apart. Here's some recovered frags.

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I had an annual check up about 2 weeks ago. Reading all the crap on the WIRE and such places about lead poisoning had me mildly concerned. I asked my doctor if he would schedule a heavy metals test for the next check up. He asked, "What is your concern" I told him that I was a lead shooter(CAS) and did my own casting cleaning and loading.
His response? "A waste of your time and money. An adult has very little reaction to lead, especially injested lead. Lead vapor would be of concern if you were exposed on a daily basis." "Lead in the form of injected(bullet fragments or eaten as in the deer study are essentially harmless."
These conditions do not apply to children as they are more susceptable to lead poisoning. But even in their case the amount of lead found in venison is a non factor.

I frankly am more interested in stories about BigFoot.
 
Your doctor's response doesn't surprise me.
He is ignorant about lead poisoning. He probably doesn't even know how to administer the test for it.
His ignorance doesn't keep him from running his mouth, like most docs, he thinks he knows it all, and he thinks that what he doesn't know is of no importance.

Most doctors ignore heavy metal toxicity.
Well, I have suffered very bad health problems due too lead poisoning.
I had no idea what was causing my problem, I went to doctors like yours who are ignorant about the problem, and it took me ten long years of suffering just to get a diagnosis.
I don't know how I got toxic levels of lead, but it wasn't from vapors.
 
simon, don`t want to pry into your personal health and understand if you won`t, but could you give some of your symptoms? I wouldn`t ask but there are reason`s I do.
 
I don't mind discussing this one bit. Send me a private message I will discuss it with you all day.

I started off having abdominal problems. The lead tends to go to your gut, I had weird prostate problems that wouldn't go away.
Also, fatigue, depression and mental confusion.

Also the lead has caused a lot of damage to my hearing and vision.
I need a hearing aid badly, and I am useless without glasses.

You ought to google it up, lead toxicity can cause all kinds of problems.
 
FALPhil is right, well documented time and again, and again, and again.... Just like the lead birdshot issue, this is nothing but pure anti-hunting hype! :mad:

Metallic lead passes through the body with little to no effect unless it's sharp and causes a mechanical injury. The BS about digestive acids is just that BS! If lead is dissolved in your intestines, why then is it not dissolved in lead-acid batteries? Better yet, why will you die if you drink sulfuric acid from a battery? Perhaps because the acid will eat your guts out?
 
I met a gunsmith who had severe lead poisoning that he said was from cleaning customer's guns with solvents without wearing protective gloves. His symptoms were very severe, long lasting and debilitating.
Another person who ran indoor plate shoots at a commercial range had a blood lead level that exceeded the definition of poisoning. The range was recycling range air without changing the filters on a regular basis, and the water system for the backstop wasn't in operation and he spent a lot time in the range every week.
I met another younger man in his 20's with lead poisoning caused by practicing small bore rifle in his basement where he was shooting a lot beginning as a young teen. There was a home made backstop indoors consisting of a simple steel plate without any ventilation and the poisoning happened over time and he said that it caused sterility issues that should be reversible, but takes time.
Plumbers disease is supposedly caused by lead vapors from soldering it with a torch, and I suppose that bullet casters can possibly be exposed to lead vapors from high heat too.
And there's concern about the lead contained in vapors from fired cartridge primers being inhaled in indoor shooting ranges which being poisoned by is known to occur.
I once had a blood lead level taken and all positive results are required by law to be reported to the state health dept.. At the time the lady doctor said that she shoots indoors too.
Now what about the lead that the condors are eating? Are their bodies absorbing lead because they eat rocks which grinds up the lead in their digestive tract? We all know children can get lead poisoning from eating paint chips, and also some of the paint and vinyl on Chinese toys, crayons etc that contain "lead"...:rolleyes:
 
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""I started off having abdominal problems. The lead tends to go to your gut, I had weird prostate problems that wouldn't go away.
Also, fatigue, depression and mental confusion.

Also the lead has caused a lot of damage to my hearing and vision.
I need a hearing aid badly, and I am useless without glasses.""

Quote from above post.

Andy, what was your lead level when the symptoms were at their worst?

And the reason why we switched to steel shot was for ammo companies, same as the push for lead free bullets that is gaining momentum as I type.
 
robhof

I had a neighbor in Louisiana that had lead poisoning, but it was from casting lead sinkers commercially for sale at flea markets. He used a deep fat fryer and a propane turkey fryer with a large pot that he heated til the lead glowed, much too hot and releasing vapor. He worked outdoors but for hrs. at a time in close proximity to the pots as well as handling the sinkers to check for bad ones, he also ate and drank while working. He was fine after chelation therapy, he still casted, but at lower temps and stopped eating and drinking while casting.
 
simonkenton,

I know a dentist that made a living for many years by convincing people that the mercury in their fillings was killing them. That wasn't true either.
 
Noz, how many doctors have you asked the same questions to about lead poisoning. Your comments suggest that you think cause one doctor(yours) happens to think being tested for toxic chemicals is a waste of time and money, it must be so. You only had concerns of the level of heavy metals in your blood with no apparent symptoms. You just had an annual checkup. Maybe if you had actually been sick with symptoms of toxic heavy metals contamination, the response from your doctor may have been different. Especially if you`ve had a life of working/ being around toxic heavy metals. Someone that goes to their doctor with symptoms such as simonkentons and knows themselves that maybe their work and lifestyle could have exposed themselves to toxic heavy metals would be foolish not to get a test. Especially if doctors having a hard time diagnosing their symptoms. A doctor simply disregarding lead poisoning as a possible cause would be the sign of an incompetant doctor. Many chemicals, paints and products used dailey can result in high levels of toxicity. Products of today are better but think of some of the older ones that were full of lead that some of us may have been exposed to most our lives.
 
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