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bullet44

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I watched La Pierre and Lockhart(pres. press man) on face the nation today. Lockhart
repeated over and over the various law
enforcement agency's were for gun control.
This I cannot believe,perhaps I am wrong
but I believe he means the law enforcement
management and perhaps union leaders. Most
of these are political people wanting to
move up. I hope the average cop knows that
we gun owners are for him, what he does each
day, and I cannot believe they are for gun
control.If not I hope they make it known
to there congressman.


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You are correct it is the management people. I have never had a chief ask how I felt about gun control. The majority of rank and file officers are for gun rights.
 
bullet44,
I agree with mrat, I'm also for gun rights.
However, I think a common problem is defining "gun control". I think Law Enforcements definition is to keep guns away from criminals, and to educate all others about gun safety. It's not to remove ones second ammendment rights. As for me, I'm an advocate of the peoples 2nd ammen. rights, however, I would like to see more emphisis placed on training and education.
It's scary to me to know there are people carrying loaded firearms that have never fired a gun in their life.
EK
 
ek127,

If the NRA didn't have to waste so much time and money defending the 2nd Amendment, it could do the things that it has traditionally done for the last 150 years, like teach fireams safety.

Here is a great post from the archives by CMOS, that all LEOs should read and follow up on...

"TFL friends, I want to introduce you to the Law Enforcement Alliance of America (LEAA). The LEAA has been mentioned here before but I felt it important that I emphasize the importance of this organization. It is not just for LEO’s. It is for any and all citizens that believe in “law enforcement” and the right to personal defense. I have been a member for almost a year now. They are a$$ kickers. Here is the LEAA’s charter statement:
“The Law Enforcement Alliance of America is the nation's largest non-profit, non-partisan coalition of law enforcement professionals, crime victims, and concerned citizens united for justice. Together, we fight for legislation at every level of government that reduces violent crime while preserving the rights of all citizens, particularly the right of self-defense. LEAA strives to keep political debate focused on criminal behavior and criminal punishment, and to communicate the shared opinion of the majority of law enforcement that gun control is not effective crime control.”

As a member you will receive a quarterly magazine similar but superior to, IMO, the NRA’s American Guardian. There is real substance to this publication – legislation (good & bad), efforts to promote pro-Second Amendment issues, factual information on how the LEAA publicly proves Klinton’s statements and policies as wrong and “outright lies” and lobbying influence in Washington. The LEAA publicly calls Klinton a liar. The LEAA publicly repeats that law enforcement officers in America DO NOT support more gun control. The LEAA also writes supporting papers for important Second Amendment court cases.

This organization is real and will is very influential. Those of you who complain about the NRA (I do too), here’s your chance to support a no-compromise organization that Klinton will have great difficulty combating. Think about it, Klinton is always droning on about how “police officers want more gun control” – What can he now say, publicly, when a large organization of law enforcement officers says, “No Mr. Prezident, we DON’T want any more gun control. Klinton is always praising the LEO community. It will be very difficult for him to switch his tune and suddenly oppose and publicly ridicule them as he does the NRA. Klinton has given the Law Enforcement community great credibility – himself! Hard for him to attack now…

Please support the LEAA. Send a donation, become a member. I believe this is one of the most publicly visible and effective organizations we can support because THEY ALREADY HAVE CREDABILITY.

Pass this information on. Distribute to as many as possible. No excuses – join NOW."
http://www.leaa.org

Joe


Joe's Second Amendment Message Board
 
MRAT & ek127;
The hierarchy of most big city P.D.s are as corrupt as any politician. They just do it with a wink and a nod from the top. Howard Safir and Ben Ward are good examples in NYC. The street cop mentality is by and large 180 degrees from them on gun issues. Any cop can tell you the real reason they exist is to protect the "elite" from the unwashed masses.
Gun control is a problem because I think that with RKBA also comes with another R. Responsibility. How do we get that without some kind of control? After the fact is too late. Thank God facts, not skewed surveys or statistics, have proven CCW laws are effective. But CCW laws means control, and there are some who can`t abide that.

NRALIFE;
Thanks for the link. I printed out the app.
 
I supported the Association of Sheriffs for years because they provide (and fund) training for our Sheriff's Department.

Then, when it came time to support CCW in Texas, the National Association of Sheriffs and the Texas association both fought it.

I dropped them quicker than Klinton drops his britches - and explained why (VERY clearly!).
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I found LEAA. Was an annual member for a while - now I'm a Life Member. I recommend them highly. I believe Rob does also.

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Either you believe in the Second Amendment or you don't.
Stick it to 'em! RKBA!
 
Thanks for info on LEAA, was not aware of
it,but I printed out application and will
send in my money,I feel we must support
these people who can help us in D.C.
 
I wondered why in the world LaPierre didn't bring up the LEAA when he was claiming that "the rank and file" cops are on his side--without the citation of an actual organization (which would have been EASY!) it just looked like he was making it up.
Could it be he doesn't actually know who his allies are?
 
LaPierre never does well on television,
(sure I would not either) but it is a
problem.Anytime a NRA spokesperson goes
on government run tv they are on the
defense and it shows.

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Have you ever heard the NRA publicly refer to any other pro-gun organization? I haven't. Heck, they hardly mention the other groups in their internal publications.

One of the NRA's biggest strengths is that they're the only pro-gun organization most people have heard about. So most people, if they're going to join a pro-gun organization, go straight to the NRA. Why would Wayne want to change that?

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
Pardon me, gentlemen. Isn't one factor why police support gun control because restrictions are designed for civilians, whereas police can have almost unlimited varieties of guns and equipment?
 
90% of officers I know support the RKBA and large dogs as tools to keep crime in check.

Many to most of the administrators in law enforcement are forced to play at the political game. They may or may not like that. The DO have to play, though. Unfortunately, the rules are defined by the people in power, of which chiefs and sheriffs are almost never among.

Erik
 
CleanCut, as to "police having unlimited varieties of equipment." Maybe on duty, and if you are SWAT.Even then, access isn't quite as much fun as owning and having. I don't know of any officers that have access to anything that is restricted now except the 15 round mags in my handgun and the 20 round mags in the AR. The average civilian has much more latitude in selecting and buying his personal protection piece. Yes, I can buy 15 round mags, but have to get rid of them when I quit or retire. I know that police DEPARTMENTS have access to lots of "stuff" like Pre-ban style AR's (our aren't, they are plain old post ban sporters) but the dept. generally frowns on our borrowing it. As said above, the LEO-CEO serves the political administrators and toe the company line if they want to keep their job.

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When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; IT IS that they shall be destroyed forever...Psalms 92.7
 
Jhp147:
I was under the impression after reading SWAT magazine that police could privately own guns civilians couldn't. Obviously, I'm mistaken. Well, at least when you retire, you can keep your conceiled weapon.

That's too bad that your department frowns upon you borrowing pre-ban AR's. What are they worried about, not looking politically correct? That doesn't sound very good to officers who have to deal with a crime situation that's getting more and more out of control. Anyhow, good luck.
 
Cleancut,
Keeping our concealed weapon is up to the chief. In California state law says it is up to the individual chief whether a retired LEO can carry a concealed weapon.

Per the federal law the only hicaps an LEO can have is for a duty weapon. A LEO must get a letter from their chief stating the magazine is for "official duty use". As stated above restricted weapons can only be purchased for duty use.
 
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