Law enforcement is being trained to kill vs. protect

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Law enforcement is being trained to kill vs. protect

By Lisa S. Dean

A reliable colleague and friend, Larry Pratt, who is the executive director of Gun Owners of America in Northern Virginia, has said that the greatest problem with law enforcement at all levels is that new recruits are being trained at military installations such as Quantico rather than at law enforcement training facilities. He pointed out that this is significant insofar as that the military is trained to kill, while law enforcement is trained to protect. The result is that law enforcement agents are putting into practice those Rambo-style tactics they learn in training in their dealings with local citizens.

This reasoning is consistent with various reports in U.S. cities, such as Los Angeles and New York, about abusive tactics used by local law enforcement agents. It is also consistent with a recently published article in Insight magazine by Timothy Maier who tells the story of a 25 year-old man in Prince George's County, Maryland who, while asleep in his apartment, had his door kicked in by the county's Special Weapons and Tactics team who proceeded to brutally beat him and accuse him of murdering a fellow police officer.

Maier reports that the man nearly died after the ordeal with police and that medical reports indicated "multiple contusions, swollen eyes and welts covering his body. Boot mark imprinted in [the victim's] back and chest" were visible in photographs after the incident. One officer in Prince George's County responded to the incident saying, "This is what I call justice - street justice. It's like sharks when they hit a piece of meat on a feeding frenzy. He's a walking billboard."

This from our upstanding men in blue whose job traditionally is to protect the public rather than using them as guinea pigs while reenacting their favorite scenes in First Blood? Aside from the Rambo-style tactics and attitudes of the police officers in this case, there was another "little" problem. When the case went to trial, the man they nearly killed turned out to be innocent of the crime of which he was accused, or of any crime for that matter.

This case and others like it has angered Reno and her Justice Department, and she is launching a federal investigation into the activities and tactics local police departments are using to capture the accused.

This investigation may, on its face, sound reasonable but, to use a cliché, "beauty is only skin deep." When you look a little deeper, you will find the usual stench accompanying anything related to the Clinton Administration and the dismantling of upstanding American institutions. This issue is no different.

While the police officer whom I quoted undoubtedly sounded bitter and wanted justice, there is a reason for that. No Administration in our nation's history has treated law enforcement so badly. It has created a litigious and regulatory climate that favors the criminal rather than the law enforcement officer. At the state and local levels, law enforcement's hands are tied in many cases because federal agents enter the scene of a crime traditionally handled by local officials, but because the Clinton Administration has federalized yet another crime, local law enforcement is out of the picture.

If that isn't bad enough, criminals outgun law enforcement in the majority of cases and while the Administration claims to want to "get guns off the street", I think it's fair to say that it really only wants to strip the law-abiding citizens of their right to keep and bear arms and does very little to punish the criminal. This creates an atmosphere of frustration within the law enforcement community because it's their lives that are at stake and the regulations which are supposed to favor them, in fact, favor the criminal element.

So the level of frustration and anger that is mounting within the law enforcement establishment and created by the Administration is combined with military style training. In other words, get law enforcement good and mad, and then teach them how to take that anger out on the citizenry.

This is a dangerous exercise and really can be boiled down to a simple premise - how does each traditionally view human beings? The military is trained to look at people as objects rather than as human beings in need of protection. To the military, which is trained for combat, these people are their likely attackers and therefore, their targets. To law enforcement, human beings are their responsibility to protect and keep safe from danger.

When you train law enforcement to act like the military, who's left to protect the people? The federal government? Well, that is precisely what the Clinton Justice Department is saying. Because they believe that local law enforcement is "out of control," the Administration needs to step in and "rescue" the public from the big, bad law enforcement establishments when all along, that same Administration is guilty of creating the need for such a rescue in the first place.

This has been the pattern typical of this Administration though. Data privacy is the perfect example, to illustrate the point. This Administration has shown little if any regard for the privacy of the personal information it collected about us. Agencies shared it with one another, and even shared it with the private sector and gave the green light to the private sector to continue collecting, selling and sharing our personal information with the federal government. So when privacy advocates and others complained that there is no privacy for our sensitive, personal data, the Administration began cracking down on businesses for not protecting their customers' privacy. Again, it created the situation and then played the role of "rescuer" to the public for the evil that others committed at its behest.

The legacy of this president is breathtaking. When you think about it, it really should not be the responsibility of historians to write the Clinton legacy. That job is best left for psychologists.

Lisa Dean is Vice President for Technology Policy at the Free Congress Foundation.

© 2000, Enter Stage Right and/or its creators
 
If I remember correctly, Quantico is where the FBI Academy is located. "Q town" is also a Marine base, but I've got a sneaky suspicion that you don't see a whole lot of marines training at the FBI Academy. FLETC at Glynco, Georgia, is also on a military or ex-military post. It's all LEOs, I can assure you.

In other words, just because training is held at a military installation, it doesn't follow that the military has to be involved in any way.

Military training doesn't automatically turn out killers. For example, how many ex-military do we have here? How many are walking the streets in your town? How many retired Spec Ops snake eaters do you think are out there? Expect any of them to twist off and starting beating and killing people over a small provocation anytime soon? For that matter, shouldn't the beating and death ratio be rather high for towns outside of Coronado, CA (SeALS), Damneck, VA (SeALS and Force Recon), Ft Bragg, NC (SOF-D, Special Forces, hell, everybody), Ft Benning, GA (Rangers), so on and so forth? Places are just chock full of people with the same training that makes LEOs twist off...Those little towns must be ghost towns, what with the killed people lying in the streets.

If we have no problem with men who are trained and prepared for years at a time to kill mass numbers of people at the drop of a hat, why do we start to hyperventilate when LEOs take a week or less of training? SeAL training and deployment doesn't bring out the Rabid Monster Hiding Within, but a two-day sniper course does???

It's also a Fact of Life that in order to protect LEO's sometimes have to kill. It's one of those things that the ivory tower types find hard to choke down. If you've got to do it, and other peoples lives are dependant on you turning soemone off, then wouldn't it behoove you to learn to do it right?

For instance, would anyone here have an objection if the first officer at Columbine had had a scoped rifle and a two-week sniper course?

The attack on the alleged cop-killer was not militarily motivated. There is no military course offered in Cop-Killer Beating. Cops have been beating and killing suspected cop-killers for a century or so without the guidance of the military or of the Clinton Administration.

The beating was inexcusable, and the Officers involved should be charged--but to draw a correlation between 'getting the sumbitch' and 'military training' shows fuzzy thinking at it's best.

LawDog
 
I have to agree with LawDog. The problem is not militarization of Law Enforcement (though that may be a symptom), but the fostering of an "us against them" mentality on the part of both police and the public. The best LEOs KNOW that they are a part of the community and citizens quickly pick up on that when dealing with them. But lately, far too many seem comtemptuous of,or hostile to, the people they are sworn to protect and serve. I personally feel that the solution is to gut Fed law enforcement, and try to get more control and cash back into local organizations. Yeah, local cops can be just as bad, but individuals (both officers and citizens) can have more positive influences on a local level. Also, it is much harder to prosecute a bad Fed, with the money and power of Washington behind him.
 
This is a crock and further lowers my opinion of Pratt. Patterns of police brutality were well known way before this kind of training was available. In fact, if anything we have a greater consciousness of problems now. Do you think that an incident like Louima would have surfaced nationwide in the 1903s? I saw cops beat a suspect severely before we had the Green Berets.

The Miranda warning wasn't developed because of Navy Seals and Rambo.

The article also states frustration with the police as:
"If that isn't bad enough, criminals outgun law enforcement in the majority of cases"

That isn't in the literature at all. While there are vivid instances of such but it is not the majority of cases by any stretch of the imagination.

Lots of exciting rhetoric for the choir that has little reality.

I have police friends who were in the service and they are decent folk.
 
I have been an LEO for eleven years and have ALWAYS been trained to stop, not kill. I had a training course in officer survival that was on a military installation using LEO instructors. We were taught the same thing there, stop the BG not kill him. Sometimes when trying to stop the BG they die as a result.
 
Ha Ha, Jim - I'll grow on you.
Of course, that is also true of fungus.

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[This message has been edited by Glenn E. Meyer (edited June 29, 2000).]
 
Scary....agree with Glen AND Dawg at the same time on a single thread. Must need more meds. James; care to join me at the pill bottle?

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On who trains who:

I have a good friend who used to be on a Marine CQC tactics team (I'll have to ask him about the exact terminology). As he tells it, they used to regularly go to Quantico so that the FBI SWAT and HRT teams could train them. He holds the FBI teams in extremely high regard, and apparently has cross trained with some of the best.
 
I have absolutely no pity on cops who say criminals outgun them. They are exempt from almost every gun control law on the books. Where I do sympathize is that most agencies nowadays are too busy practicing lawsuit avoidance than law enforcement. The lawsuit avoidance puts more cops in danger than anything else. A cop should have NO SECOND THOUGHTS when the time comes to draw his weapon. I'm as big a libertarian as anyone on this board, and I do believe in civil rights almost to a religion, but those cops aren't our enemies, but are serving us. If I do somthing that could be threatening to an officer, then I'll understand when he draws his gun (of course, I'll be busy cleaning my britches). I've had cops draw down on me before, and we're both still walking around! Cops are in a bad position, but being outgunned isn't one of them. Sorry department heads are the root problem.
 
The militarization of law enforcement is a fact. I don't equate beating people up and kicking in doors and what not as examples of this however. Frustration does a lot for that. I am LE, and was in the military for six years, never saw training that encouraged police brutality.

However, I think that the current regime, encourages that "bad" kind of behavior, a long with the militarization of LE through frustration tactics. You make everyone p**sed off, and make the bad guys look even worse, and turn your admin polictical, radical cops have the tendency to get frustrated and want to do something.

The militarization that I see is with gov't agencies. ATF, FBI, US Marshal Service. That's when it is really a problem. The Waco incident is a good example. All military tactics in America, is not good. Wouldn't have normal cops probably have just arrested Mr. Koresh on his way to town?

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If someone said to me, "Erik, you're in charge of bringing in Koresh," I definitely would not have attempted to take him by force from his compound.

The same thing goes for the Ruby Ridge fiasco. Issue a warrant, and let the suspect get picked up subsequent to a moving violation, like most people with warrants.
 
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