large cap magazines, assault weapons and sniper rifles

alan

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We all have heard a lot about the above, but a couple of nagging little things cause me to speak.

1. Re the so-called "large cap magazine", the Browning Hi-Power has been in continuous production since the mid 1930's, perhaps the World War 11 years might be excepted. The pistol was designed to take a 13 round magazine, and still is. The 13 round magazine was THE STANDARD MAGAZINE, it is the current REDUCED CAPACITY items that are "something unusual", and anomoly if you will. Ditto for the ubiquitous Glock 17, and any number of other pistols. There are STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINES, and there are the politicans delight, the REDUCED CAPICITY MAGS, which serve neither valid law enforcement purposes, nor the public safety. By the way, the SAME considerations apply to rifles.

2. On "assault weapons" we played into the hands of the anti-gunners on this one, as has happened before. There is the real definition, SELECTIVE FIRE CAPABILITY, and there are the cosmetic definitions, which talk about NON FUNCTIONAL FEATURES. This so-called "assault weapons ban" is scheduled to sunset in a few years, 2004 I believe. Let's not let our elected things forget about this sun set provision, make them stick to it. NO EXTENTIONS.

3. Finally, one comes upon "sniper rifles", these days seemingly coming into more common mention. Let's not repeat the "assault weapon" mistake. Today's scope sighted, bolt action hunting rifle, or competition piece will most definately be tomorrow's or perhaps even this evenings "sniper rifle", next on the list for "regulation" or outright ban. Some amongst us are old enough to remember the World War 11 saying to the effect that LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS. In fact, they did then, and nowadays they can be costly too, in that they give the anti's "ammunition" they should not have.

Thanks for your attention.
 
Large capacity magazines, assault rifles, and sniper rifles? What else is there? Just 1911s! ;)

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[This message has been edited by Watch-Six (edited September 07, 2000).]
 
The ban on standard capacity magazines created the compact, 10 round, 9mm, "pocket rocket"

dZ
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dZ:
The ban on standard capacity magazines created the compact, 10 round, 9mm, "pocket rocket"

dZ
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obviously, only a total ban will satisfy the anti's, when are the gunners going to realize this. that was essentially the substance, possibly not well communicated, of my comment. by the way, who is the maker of this "pocket rocket"?
 
In their crusade to disarm We, The People, the Anti-self defense crowd will develop new buzz words which will carry strong negative connotations and stir emotions. Swines.
 
Gary:

Yes, but the rest of us, who one asumes are the antithesis of the anti self defense crowd do not have to play their game, we can debunk their buzz-words.
 
I agree.. these words have become so common-place that they have infiltrated our camp too.

I refuse to use such words as "hi-capacity magazine", "assault-rifle" and "sniper rifle."

I am not to say that these words don't slip on occassion.. but I must use them in many instances. When I ask someone about a magazine.. their definition of hi-cap is my definition of reg-cap. So, I'm at a loss to explain to these individuals that there is no such thing as a hi-cap magazine (unless we're talking 30+rnd Glock mags :D), only to have to give in and use terms that a person should already by wary of. But then again.. I suppose it doesn't matter. I often use the "Yeah, I own an assault-rifle" gimic to scare anti-gunners into leaving me alone. :D

So much for this rant.. I think it backfired.

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oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KaMaKaZe:
But then again.. I suppose it doesn't matter. I often use the "Yeah, I own an assault-rifle" gimic to scare anti-gunners into leaving me alone. :D

So much for this rant.. I think it backfired.

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Ka:

You wrote in part, as appears above. Yes, I believe that your post might have backfired.
 
alan,

Well.. you got the point. If there was one.

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oberkommando sez:
"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
I consider the 10 round limit to be a way of the law pushers to teach me good gun control. Most revolvers have 6 shots. I need to step up to the challenge and learn how to hit what I want to. Cops still get the normal capacity stuff. A few recent posts on this and other boards have shown that this has lowered the cops hit ratio because they get to pull the trigger more and hit as much as they did with a revolver. I am not picking on cops, they do a job I would never ever want, and as long as they do their best on the job and obey the same laws I have to I am proud they are around. I do hope that normal capacity mags come back in a few years. I hate seeing old mags selling for almost 100 bucks. But I will deal with laws like 10 round mags the same way I do with empty stretches of highway at 55 mph. I will do my best to get it changed, but I don't plan to break the law because I don't like the end results. At least there is an alternative to just 10 round mags now. In a hundred years those mags might be beyond rebuildable, I don't know the life span of a heavily used mag.
 
Ducky:

Since you offered the idea, and you can certainly think anything you like, it seems to me that if you need "the law pushers" to teach you "good gun control", then you might have something of a problem.

The magazine might hold 15 rounds, or any number of rounds. The user does not have to fill it. By the way, learning to hit what one shoots at, as you mentioned, is very important, without regard to magazine capacity, and a great many cops are poor shots, because they aren't really interested in understanding the sidearms they carry. This sort of situation, by the way, constitutes one hell of a danger to the general public.

The standard capacity magazines will return, but only if shooters, gun owners and so forth, keep the heat on the political types, if you will, the law pushers, who by the way, are supposed to serve/represent the people.
 
Regarding the importance of semantics, take a look at Alan Korwin's excellent 'Glossary of Politically Corrected Terms' ( http://gunlaws.com/politicallycorrect.htm ). Has a lot of those cited above, and many more.

It is certainly important to take the language back from the anti-self defense gun bigots. We cannot let them control the debate.

And, as you can imagine, the gun bigots have been demonizing a new class of firearms ... the so-called 'pocket rockets' as noted above. See the VPC's silliness at http://www.vpc.org/studies/pockcont.htm . These guys are such kidders ... ;)


Their strategy is so obvious at this point, but still the media support them in general, and the average person who doesn't study this stuff still buys a lot of their bull. We simply must keep educating folks, and TFL certainly helps in that regard. It not only teaches those who come here, but it also helps make many of us into better debaters.

Regards from AZ


[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited September 09, 2000).]
 
I always try to avoid the anti-constitution crowds buzz words in conversations. Recently in a post in Handguns & Pistolcraft here I mistakenly used the term Hi-Capacity magazine and someone (I don't recall who) took me to task for it. I was not offend in the least. In fact I was appreciative that they caught my slip and corrected me. If more of us did this is would make the antis job, the total disarmament or Americans and the end to the BofR, much harder.

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