Ladder Test at 50 yards possible

SirMarcus

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Greeting to everyone. I’m a fairly new shooter and wish to harvest some of your knowledge if I may.

I’m shooting a:
Savage 116 Stainless steel cambered in 30-06.

I have managed to get a good overall length for my rifle and am now trying to get a good powder charge in my reloads.

I’m using IMR 4350 and starting low to high, 55 grains to 59 grains in .5 gain increments. Hornady Match .308 168gr BTHP

My problem now is that I currently only have access to a 50 yard range. Can I still conducted a ladder test at this distance and if so should it be modified in any way?

Thanks for the help.
 
A true ladder test, won't show you anything unless you shoot it at 300 yards minimum.

50 yards is even too close for a OCW test to really show you what you need to see.

My suggestion would be to see if you can find a longer range somewhere. You could at least do the OCW test at 100 yards.
 
You can still zero at 50 and, if you have a chronograph, get some velocities and velocity variation so that a ballistics program can predict your come-ups and how much vertical dispersion to expect at 300. However, there may also be a software package that will let you use 50 yards as described below, but I can't say for sure.

Creighton Auddette used to shoot his ladders at 200 yards, IIRC, and it was Randolf Constantine who pointed out 300 was showing the results a lot more clearly (though you don't want any significant wind when you shoot one, or you'll throw the results off). But at 200 yards you can still tell if you locate the holes with good precision and keep careful track of which shot made which hole. These days for hole location I use a $12 program called OnTarget, scanning the target in, locating the holes, then using its export-to-Excel function to get each hole's X-Y coordinates. From there I can plot the vertical and horizontal coordinates against shot number and usually use a 5th order polynomial trend line to see where the flat spot in an Audette ladder lies. There is a free version of On Target, but I don't recall if it has the Excel export function. Perhaps someone else on the forum will know.

More apropos of your situation, there is also a much fancier $75 version of the software called OnTarget TDS, that has you print targets from its data base, and which it recognizes scans of and so can calibrate itself and then it locates the bullet holes automatically (the less expensive program relies on your eyeballs to center holes on the on-screen image using a 1 caliper circle). It is then is able to combine groups from several of these targets, score them, and it includes automatic OCW and Audette ladder evaluation (the OCW uses 3 shots per charge weight, where the Audette uses one). It keeps track of ladder holes by having you shoot only one shot onto each bull's-eye on a page full of small bull's-eyes, then combines the hole locations for evaluation. That software just may be able to see enough hole location even at 50 yards to give you an evaluation you can use. I haven't tried it, so I'm not at all sure, but the software has a free trial period of a few days, so you could download it and try it out and see. The author may also have tried short ranges and could possibly tell you how well it worked out.
 
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This article mentions using a Sharpie on the bullets to keep track of the shots- never tried it so I don't know if it works.

http://www.6mmbr.com/laddertest.html

Most everyone has a video camera with digital zoom that'll get in close enough at 300 to keep track (on a tripod, of course), so that's what I'd use without a spotter.
 
Unclenick, many thanks for the plethora of information. I skimmed over the program and it seems very interesting and it might be just what I for my situation and you can't beat a free trial :)
 
tobnpr, Yes, I did color the tips of all my cartridges with a sharpie. I do not remember where I heard that strategy before but if anything it does make for a colorful box at the range.
 

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Looks like you're doing a OCW test. That program that unclenick pointed to will help out a bunch if you shoot at 50 yards and using a chronograph.
 
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