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Friday, April 23, 1999

Will the NRA Ever Give Enough Ground?
Littleton: It's not the bearing part that's so worrisome--it's the
using part.
By KAREN GRIGSBY BATES






It's a question that will--and
should--be asked over and over in
the wake of the bloodiest school shooting
spree in modern America: Can the
National Rifle Assn. continue to justify its stand on gun
possession and still think of itself as an organization of
rational human beings?
Guns don't kill people, as the NRA likes to point out,
people kill people. In this case, at Columbine High School
in Littleton, Colo., enraged, irrational, depressed young
men killed 14 of their fellow classmates and one teacher
and wounded many more. But you'll notice they didn't
club them to death with baseball bats. They used guns.
For years, the NRA has lobbied vigorously against
virtually every piece of anti-gun legislation introduced
around the country, from local to national levels.
Americans should be able to exercise their 2nd
Amendment rights, the group posits, and legally be
allowed to bear arms. Unconcealed, concealed, whatever.
Well, it's not the bearing part that's so worrisome--it's the
using part.
I'm not a gun fan, but I understand why, in certain
instances, a person might want keep one nearby, at
home, for self-protection. Until there are a lot fewer guns
on the street, it will be hard to convince worried residents
in high-crime neighborhoods that a gun, even one they
may not really know how to use, isn't better real-life
protection than a burglar alarm or a yappity dog.

But the NRA, despite its patronizing
blather to the contrary, isn't terribly
interested in making sure the law-abiding, mostly
minority citizens of Compton, East St. Louis, West
Oakland or inner Houston maintain the ability to protect
themselves with firearms. And while the organization is
more diverse today than it has been in years, a
demographic check of the NRA's roster probably would
reveal its members are, overwhelmingly, white, male and
fairly politically conservative. They believe in the 2nd
Amendment because bearing arms protects them from
everyone else. And so every incursion, no matter how
small or rational, is met with a blitzkrieg of resistance.
Intelligent compromise just isn't possible in such
circumstances, because there's always an explanation for
how each gun death tragedy is an exception to the rule.
You're probably starting to hear the rationalizations for
Columbine High already. NRA President Charlton Heston,
for instance, says tragedies like Columbine's could be
averted if armed guards are placed in every school across
America. But an armed guard was at Columbine, and he
was hopelessly outnumbered by the number and caliber
of firearms the adolescent assassins carried and used to
horrifying effect.
Gun advocates are right: A gun did not almost kill
Ronald Reagan's press secretary, James Brady; a person
did. But guess what he was using? Same for Colin
Ferguson on the Long Island Railroad when he calmly
slaughtered and wounded a car full of homeward-bound
commuters. And guns were merely the medium enraged
children chose in sad places like Jonesboro, Ark., West
Paducah, Ky., Springfield, Ore., Fayetteville, Tenn.,
Edinboro, Pa., Pearl, Miss., and now Littleton to dispatch
their classmates en masse. In those scenarios, it was
definitely people killing and wounding people. With guns.

Eventually, the cost will be too high
for even the greediest politicians to
support. They will begin to turn away NRA funding for
their campaigns and do the right thing, and the
long-postponed curtailment of guns will begin. But how
many more schools will have to suffer the agonies we
witnessed Tuesday in Littleton before this happens?
It is an ineluctable part of the human condition that
we sometimes kill each other. If we didn't do it with
guns, we'd find another way. I'm not naive enough to
assume that all homicide would cease if gun laws were
more stringent. But I can do the math: A knife, a rock, a
speeding vehicle cannot produce the kind of widespread
devastation one angry 16-year-old can with a loaded
semiautomatic weapon.
It's time for the NRA to wake up and realize that
eliminating citizen use of such weapons is something that
can--and should--happen.
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Karen Grigsby Bates Is a Regular Contributor to This
Page

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"



[This message has been edited by DC (edited April 23, 1999).]
 
AAHHHH! I just have to respond to this bunghole....

DC, can you post reply info Ms. Bates (if you have it, that is).

Thanks!
 
BAB...

"Letters to the Editor:
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She doesn't publish her e-mail so if you wish to write her directly:

Karen Grigsby Bates
Editorials Dept.
Los Angeles Times
Times Mirror Square
Los Angeles, CA 90053

(213) 237-5000

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"
 
Molly Ivins commented similarly in her column this morning. Coincidence? BTW, Ms. Ivins is an interesting study: a self-styled populist who doesn't really trust the people whose welfare she affects to hold so dear.

Anyway, when the terrible news from Colorado first hit the headlines, I didn't think that even the anti-gun zealots would be able to blame the carnage on guns, because so many deeper and more telling factors were clearly involved. I sure was wrong! I underestimated the shamelessness of this bunch to lie, exploit tragedy, and divert attention away from the real issues to their pet issue of gun hating. Too bad.
 
The thing that amazes me is that the bombs just disappear from the picture. Guess they can't rationalize how gun control can prevent bombings, so they have to forget there were bombs involved.
 
Here was my response to them. I know it won't do a darn bit of good, but I try. Let me know if it gets published, please (yeah, right!).

Gun control advocates often state that the people that strongly uphold the
second amendment never "compromise". This is stated as an "it's not fair,
you need to play nice" kind of attitude.
The fact is, the NRA and other second amendment upholders have been
compromising a lot, for decades! Every time there is a new gun law that
takes away a little of our rights in order to try to find a solution, we
compromise.
But, when was the last time that the gun-control crowd "compromised"? When
was the last time that a silly gun law, that was proven to have no effect
on gun crimes, was repealed, out of "compromise"? They don't. The fact
is, every gun law that is enstated as a "compromise" stays there for
eternity, whether or not it helps the situation or is proven to stop
violence after it is enstated.
This is not compromise, this is a slow whittling-away of our rights. It is
an anti-gun campaign that is based on taking away a piece of the right
slowly rather that just banning all guns in one swift move. The anti- gun
crowd has an end to their agenda, and it is the banning of all guns. They
are just "boiling the frog slowly" so that they get less resistance along
the way. One compromise after another means the right is whittled aways
one bit at a time, and never given back. This is no compromise, it is
losing ground. Permanent ground.
As soon as the gun control crowd wants to compromise and start repealing
some of the stupid laws that are proven uneffective on gun violence, and
start giving honest citizens back some of their rights, then we can start
talking about "compromising" and tightening down on other laws that might
actually help. I think we all would be glad to find laws that actually
make a difference, but the fact is, everything these people are doing is
already illegal, so we need to enforce the laws we have.
It is already illegal to make bombs, and impossible to buy them, but
somehow these people found a way to kill a lot of people by making their
own bombs out of household items. If they hadn't been able to get guns,
they could have just strapped bombs to themselves and walked into the
middle of the classroom and detonated them, killing just as many people.
People like this will find a way, and they did find a way even though it
was very illegal. What more laws are we going to make that really take an
effect on this kind of crime without blatantly walking all over the rights
of the millions of peope that protect themselves with guns every year?


I would like to add that it is utterly false that NRA members don't care
about lower-class people being able to defend themselves. We all uphold
their rights as much as anyone, and if anyone needs a gun to defend their
home and life, it is a law-abiding citizen in a lower class neighborhood.
I have not seen the demographics of the NRA, but the fact is, most people
in America are "middle class white people", so statistically it is not a
shock to find that the majority of any given group is composed of the
majority of the nation.The fact that these people, demographically, don't
tend to join the NRA is totally their choice, and probably a financial
choice: it costs (a very small amount of) money to support the NRA. Never
the less, they are most welcome any time and encouraged to join in the
support of their rights. Just because they cannot afford to, or choose not
to, join the NRA does not mean that we are not fighting for their rights.
 
Thad: I'd add another point: It's inherent in the nature of "compromise", that each side gives a little. What has the gun control movement given US? What, frankly, have they got that they COULD give us? Nothing, really; We started out with everything we could possibly ask for, a constitutional guarantee that the government would never interfer with our right to possess firearms of any sort. And what has the gun control movement ever offered us in return for loosing this wonderful right? Nothing. Ask the gun control lobby to compromise, not their victims.
 
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