Kydex vs. leather?

oboe

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In an effort to reduce the number of rejected holsters by getting a few good ones first time out:

What are the pros and cons of Kydex for holsters? What are the pros and cons of leather for holsters? Let's assume that the owner has only one very precious pistol used for everything including concealed carry.
 
To me the only con is the chance for finish damage seems to be higher in a kydex holster. The hard plastic can get dirt and sand in it that leather seems to embed . Any holster is going to leave wear marks , given enough use.
My all around favorite holsters are now the Silent thunder line that have kydex shells and leather lining.
 
leather holds moisture. you have to decide the lesser of two evils, wear with kydex holsters.

i've gone to the nylon uncle mikes iwb, fits all the medium size sigs/glocks and the g27.
 
IMHO FWIW :)
All holsters will cause a little wear on the bluing, Stainless Steel not much.

Nylon.. not much retention, but cheap.

Leather.. May hold moisture, IWB need 2 hands to reholster on cheaper ones, OWB pretty good, little pricey.

Kydex.. May cause more finish wear, OWB can sit out a little further than leather, IWB can be a little uncomfortable, good retention, most cheaper than leather.

My favorite is a hybrid IWB, leather back (w/ moisture shield) and kydex body.
Very good retention, adjustable cant, comfortable, hides very well. ;)
 
I don't know anything about Kydex holsters, I've seen people use them and they seemed fast enough.

But, I'm old, I'm old fashion, I like leather holsters, wood stocks and blued guns.

I don't know if they are any better or not, (never used plastic holsters), I just like leather.
 
Agreed. I want to "slap leather" so to speak, not be slapping kydex. Im 23 but you could call me old fashioned. I prefer a 1911 45ACP with wood stocks as well (S&W1911 best pistol I've ever owned). I was fortunate to have great parents who taught me true american morality. I don't know what you call what is happening today (Felons in office?). I love this country, I don't like when people abuse it.
 
uh . . . thanks, Tyler, so let's keep this thread on the subject. Morality goes in another forum.
 
Kydex only really wears on the contact points, where leather wears the finish more overall. You also dont have the rust issue you have with leather holsters.

Its leather that embeds dirt and abrasives, not kydex. Kydex does not absorb and hold moisture either, so if you sweat, you only need one holster for year round wear. Kydex also usually outlasts leather by a long shot. I used to go through two Galco Royal Guards or similar a year until I found Blade Tech. I still have the first Blade Tech IWB I bought, close to 15 years ago now. It was used daily for over 10 years, and is still as serviceable now, as it was the day I bought it. My rusty gun problem also went away at the same time.

Kydex is also easily cleaned with a rinse under the kitchen sink, dried with a paper towel, and then instantly used. Leather tends not to be easily cleaned, if cleaned at all, especially inside.

Some will tell you kydex isnt as comfortable IWB, but I've never found that to be the case, and when things get sweaty, kydex is much more comfortable, as it doesnt rub you raw like leather on bare skin, nor do you get the added chemical irritation you get from some leather holsters, depending what was used for tanning/treating the leather. Wet kydex just slides across wet skin, with little irritation.

A lot of all this depends on how often you wear your gun and what you do while youre wearing it. If you only wear it occasionally, live indoors or air conditioning, and youre not very active, leather is fine for the most part. If you wear your gun on a daily basis, and lead an active life, especially outdoors in all weather, kydex is what youre looking for.
 
AK, thank you for that comprehensive reply - it helps! I am asking about the daily wear, all conditions. I'm wondering - if you took that self-adhesive moleskin and stuck to the part of the holster touching bare skin - would that be better or worse than Kydex-to-skin?
 
Oboe my fault. I started rambling and didn't realize until after I posted. Some times I get carried away, I was talking to Kraig. I prefer leather holsters as said. AC130K- Kydex isn't too bad IWB? I figured it would not be comfortable. Maybe I'll try one out alway good to keep an open mind. Also AC130 were you in a spectre or spooky gunship? Just wondering that would be interesting to hear about? Sorry for messing up your topic so I'll finish with it. Kydex is probably good, I have little experience with them so can not really say. Leather however has always been comfortable and I stick to what works, IMO.
 
Oboe, first off, yes I have a vested interest in leather holsters as I make custom leather holsters about 10 feet from my computer, right here in my house. You can see some of my wares at www.dwightsgunleather.com I make leather holsters because I truly believe that they are a superior product.

That said, I have also purchased and made kydex holsters too, and without any undue prejudice, I doubt seriously if I'll ever own another one. To me they are absolutely un-comfortable, period. My leather moves and gives as I move, and the process I use pretty well seals them up so they don't suck up a lot of sweat.

As for the wear on the firearm, it's a wash really. Where the kydex contacts the weapon, the finish will go much faster than leather, but as mentioned by another poster, the leather if not kept clean, can accumulate grime and grit, and it can work on the finish of your weapon.

My concern for a holster is two pronged: first is comfort, noting that if the carry mode is not comfortable, most people will elect not to carry, which defeats the whole CCW thing to begin with. Secondly, I look at the strength of the holster. Kydex is strong, yes it is, but it IS plastic. It will shatter, it will break, it will crush, and a total kydex paddle can be ripped off your side by any half baked 10 year old with two hands, breaking the paddle as he gets your sidearm and boogies. In a scuffle, the propensity for the plastic to break is leaps and bounds many times more than any leather holster "breaking".

All in all, I'm like one of the other posters, . . . blued metal and wood in a leather holster. It has proved it's abililty and longevity, . . . I wonder if the tupperware pistols will still be carried in tupperware holsters 100 years from now or if they will be like last night's casserole, just leftovers in a tupperware box.

May God bless,
Dwight
 
I never tried the moleskin, I suppose the only way to know is give it a try and see if it works for you.

Once you've lived with wet leather holsters for awhile, you'll understand the value of kydex. A wet leather holster takes forever to dry out, and even when you have a couple and rotate them, they are still constantly wet, and so is your gun. The wet leather and bare skin thing is bad enough, but when you add the chemicals into the mix, its like carrying an over full Zippo in your pocket. If you know that feeling, you'll know what I'm referring to.

I never noticed any difference in carrying a leather or kydex holster IWB. Then again, I've pretty much always carried that way, and I'm used to the gun and holster being there. If you can notice a difference, maybe youre more sensitive than me. :)
 
I am asking about the daily wear, all conditions.

I wore this Hoyt (leather) nearly every day for about 20 years (retireing in 1994) I still use it today in ICORE matches.

Leather does hold up in ALL KINDS OF WEATHER.

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Thanks, AK. In fact, here in Florida it gets kinda warm and moist. I'm a ski instructor in New England in the winter, and I remember the days of leather ski boots. Now the shell of all ski boots is plastic, and the liner is a softer material. That's what made me think of the hard plastic holster with a protective softer liner.
 
Kraig, I'm a north country transplant myself - and I've been in Anchorage. Conditions there and conditions here in South Florida are waaaay different, so I need to distinguish between an OTW holster and an IWB holster.
 
Dwight, I've looked at your site and appreciate the fine work you do.

Regardless of holster, I don't think of HK P30L as Tupperware. I'm really impressed with what's been done with polymer because it's so much lighter than alloy or steel and so far holds up well. My road bike is full carbon, which I prefer over steel, aluminum and titanium. So far, so good.

To me, form and material follow function in concealed carry. This is not the same as my nicely checkered over/under - different subject entirely.
 
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You guys got me considering Kydex now. I love leather don't get me wrong, but you make good points. The over filled Zippo is a perfect comparison. I think I might check an IWB Kydex. Why not have that as well, It is better for all weather/conditions(I would imagine).
 
It will shatter, it will break, it will crush...
Over time, and depending what youre doing with it, I suppose you can destroy anything. Still, my experience over time has been, the kydex hold up much better, and are usually half the price of a decent leather holster to boot.

The holster on the right is the original Blade Tech holster I was referring to above. The holster on the left, was a new one I bought as a back up, which was never used. As you can see, a small portion of the sweat guard at the top of the original holster did in fact break off, and I dont remember now, how it happened. Other than that, and replacing a couple of straps over the 10 or so years I used it, nothing else was an issue.

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This is a close up of the gun in the above pic, a Colt Combat Commander. It started life as a blued gun, and lasted about a year in leather holsters before the rust got bad enough it needed attention. I had it hard chromed just prior to getting the Blade Tech. What appears to be "black" streaks on the gun are in fact, polished chrome, where the gun contacted the holster. Those marks are 10 years worth of wear and hard use. The gun was usually shot three or four times a month and drawn from its holster on a pretty much daily basis in practice. As you can see, other than those marks, the rest of the finish is in pretty good shape, with just a small amount of "powder" rust where the grip was exposed to my body.

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This is a pic of the last Royal Guard I had, and was in use just before and after the hard chrome job. The holster had about a months worth of use on it when the pic was taken, and the duct tape was a feeble attempt at stopping the sweat from soaking through. It didnt work. When that pic was taken, the holster had been sitting in an old "holster" box for a number of years, and actually doesnt look to bad.

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I wonder if the tupperware pistols will still be carried in tupperware holsters 100 years from now or if they will be like last night's casserole, just leftovers in a tupperware box.
Actually, "Tupperware" is really the best thing to carry in a leather IWB holster, as its not affected by what it has to live and deal with. The carrier on the other hand, is the one who may well do the suffering.

Its not that I'm against leather holsters, its just certain types and for certain uses. I too like a nice, well made OWB holster on a nice leather belt, carrying a deeply blued, and nicely wood stocked handgun out to a BBQ. I would never wear any of them to work or where I play though.

Like I said earlier, you may have a total different experience with them, if youre lifestyle is different than mine. If you carry IWB, are active, and work/live/play outside, year round, especially if the heat and humidity is anything like it is here in the summer, then you may want to consider looking into kydex, and this is especially so if you sweat a lot.

I dont care what you treat leather with, it will eventually stop working, just like the old leather boot treatments (been there, done that, suffered for years, and now wont buy anything that doenst have a goretex bootie!) and will begin to take on moisture. Then theres also the issue of what those treatments will do for your skin if its irritated.

Hey, the only real way to find out what works best for you, is to try them all and see how it goes. You dont need the holster box anymore, as EBay is a great place to sell the old ones, and try out new ones at a better price. Dont get to caught up on what the holster does to your gun either, if you wear it all the time, its going to get beat up. Thats just the way it is.
 
Obviously, both leather and Kydex have been and are being used, including by law enforcement. I've just wanted to have your input sorting out the different aspects of each. It's clear that a person could use each one, changing from time to time, based upon circumstances.

I'm still interested in having more input, whatever it may be. I'm getting an education here!:D
 
The Kydex still looks uncomfortable IWB. I would probably used one if I knew I was going to be in rugged conditions. I still prefer leather. Lets face it, you have a gun in a holster you use regularly, the finish will get worn. Carry guns get worn down, you can always reblue/refinish your firearm too.
 
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