Kimber vs. Les Baer Shootout

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D Crockett

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I thought this might interest some.

My insurance agent has a full-sized Les Baer I've been wanting to shoot and we got together today to do so. I brought my Kimber Lt. Wt. Compact along to compare.

The LB was a very nice pistol and its owner a pretty good pistolero but, with him or me, the Kimber shot just as well if not better.
Granted we were shooting offhand at 20 and 45 yards, not on sandbags,ect. I was just surprised that the Kimber was not outshot.
Then the most surprising thing of all happened, another friend pulled out a full-sized S&W auto in 10mm and outshot both of the more expensive ones.

Maybe we just had an off day w/ the 1911's. Maybe the friend had higher quality ammo. Who knows. It was just an interesting day shooting!

Dave
 
There is a lot more to accuracy than a brand name. In point of fact, most guns are more accurate than the shooter. Of course, there are other attributes to the Baer gun that make it attractive, it's just outside my budget. :)
 
Johnwill:

I would agree that most guns are more accurate than most shooters. However, I have owned a lot of rifles and several pistols that wouldn't shoot as well as I can.

There are a bunch of world class Bullseye shooters "out there" who can shoot much smaller fifty yard groups than most production 1911 style pistols are capable of providing. Similarly, there just about any serious benchrest shooter can consistently produce better groups than the vast majority of production rifles are capable of shooting.

I have found the only way to adequately compare relative accuracy of one pistol vs. another is to try a variety of ammunition with a Ransom machine rest. Even then, an accurate pistol will not shoot well, even in the hands of an Olympian, if the ergonomics aren't there and if the mental aspect of the game is lacking (confidence in the handgun/ammo combination). Just my 2 cents worth.
 
You can't always blame it on the gun. The shooter and ammo plays a big part. If your friend shoots way better than both of you, it won't matter too much which decent pistol he shoots.

The beauty behind reloading is, you eventually find the perfect load that your gun likes. If you're anywhere near a good shot, you'll start seeing one big ragged hole. Plus you can load hundreds in just one hour with a Dillon. Hence, you have a combination of the perfect load for whatever particular gun and lots of ammo to practice with.

My Les Baer likes 4.2 grains of Clays 1.245 OAL. I could put that same round in my Wilson and the groups open up a lot more. The reverse applies with loads specific for the Wilson.

I could give my Les Baer to my one friend to shoot. He'll shoot like crap with it. Or I could hand another friend the Baer and he'll outshoot me. Yes the gun has a lot to do with accuracy but more important is the shooter himself.

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ArmySon
1911 Addiction
"Rangers Lead the Way!"
 
Agree w/ the above. We weren't bench shooting or anything, so it wasn't a serious comparison. But, we did each shoot all three pistols w/ similar results for each.
It was just a fun day shooting w/ interesting results.

Dave
 
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