keyhole 45-70

Joesouza

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I have a trapdoor 45-70 rifle. I shoot the 385 grn lyman bullet with 65 grn ffg and veggy wad,compressed. i can only shoot 8" groops at 100 yards,so I bought a 535 grn lyman mould but now it key holes. well out of 20 rounds i only hit the paper 2 time and thay key holed, any one know what is going on?
Joe
 
Maybe the rifling twist rate is not fast enough to stabilize a 535 grain bullet.

1 in 18 and 1 in 22 are common .45-70 barrel twist rates.

On the other hand, most .458 magnums are rifled at 1 in 14 inches.
 
In addition to the good suggestions previously posted, what is your muzzle velocity? If your bullet is exiting the muzzle at just over the speed of sound(about 1200fps) then it might be destabilized as it drops through the sound barrier.
You can change you load so that your heavy bullet starts below 1200fps or use a lighter bullet at a higher velocity.
 
If this is an original rifle it should do much better. The original loads were 405 gr. bullets with 70 grs. of powder and 500 gr. bullets with 70 grs. of powder. The rifling rate will stabilize either of these very well. The 535 should be fine also. It could be a bad bore or a damaged muzzle.
 
Give the .405 gr hollow base bullet a try ....
I had a H&R Buffalo classic in 45/70 that was keyholeing untill I went to the .405 gr. Hollow base bullets .
Then my Italian made Sharps 45/70 keyholed untill I went to the .535 gr Postell bullet .
Different chambers different twist rifleing ....just stay with it you will find the magic bullet for yours .
I started with the .350 gr bullets and worked my way up with both the 45/70`s I`ve owned ....they can be very picky eaters .
once you find the right bullet for your rifle ....the rewards never end .
 
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key hole 45-70

thanks for all the good imfo, the twist is 1-22 the bore is 458 and the barrel look ok for 125 years old, I will try 55 grns ffg to slow it down. I want the 535 to work, hay i spent $60 on the mold!
joe
 
Just an FYI, if you decide to try a different mold Lee has a 405 hollow base for about $20-$25. It comes with handles all ready to go.
 
Number one, your rifle is most likely going to prefer the 500 grain Government bullet. The carbine used the 405 grain HB bullet with 55 grains of powder. So get some 500 grainers, and make dang sure they do not exceed 1:20 alloy. If that doesnt work then go to 1:40 alloy. Whatever your bore measures, your bullets have to be soft enough to bump up to fill it. Your rifle likely has 18" twist, mine does. It needs that big old long government bullet. your barrel should be a very shallow 3 groove. With the proper bullet and alloy, it should do fine for you. It isnt designed for little bitty short 385 grain bullets. If you want to shoot them, then get a Marlin. If your serial number is in the high 200,000's or 300,000 or above, it is a 500 grain eating barrel. Try that and see if you dont have success. Around 300K is where the 1884 rifles began. Those are definitely 500 gr barrels. The very early rifles below 100K tried the 405s for a while with poor success, and the 405 was then relegated to the carbine and the 500 became the issue round for the rifle. Soft,,,,the boolits have to be soft. If you ran hard bullets through it, check the barrel for leading, especially near the muzzle. That could be your problem. Clean it well then try the long soft bullets.
 
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