Kerry: Bush wants to reinstate draft

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Danindetroit

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This is a complete lie, Charles B. Rangel a Black Democrat from NY wanted to start the draft back up because the US armed forces has a high number of blacks as compared to the US in general. He said if these rich white kids were drafted and sent to fight, that bush would not send troops overseas. I wondered what he wanted us to do in somalia, and Sierria Leone and all of the other countries in Africa that are having civil wars. I bet he voted for clinton to send troops to somalia.
 
First of all, the percentage of minorities in the military is roughly equivalent to the demographic makeup of the population.

Second, no one is holding a gun to anyones head, black, white brown, yellow or green, to join the military. It is an 'all volunteer force'.

Third...the dems are using the draft issue to fearmonger the youthful electorate the same way that they are demeaning the mentally retaded, the elderly and the naive.

Fourth...Bush stated categorically that there would be no draft. Unlike hs opponent, he means what he says.

Is the left's hatred for America so strong that they would stoop to even lower levels than this to 'win'. The next two weeks will tell.
 
Tellin' like I heard it

I just heard it on Headline news along with the fact that Kerry has the Flu shot for the economy. I have a plan also. Tax the Heinz Family till they have to get jobs. Everyone knows rich people are bad and must have done something wrong to make money, seems easy enough to take their money first.
 
Someone recently observed (not me; somebody smart) that a draft is actually more likely if Kerry is elected than if Bush is reelected because of a real possibility that many soldiers might quit the Army if Kerry is elected. Therefore, a draft might be necessary just to maintain numbers.
 
Interesting thought. I personally think that at age 18 I was not physically fit enough to be drafted. I worked landscaping for a number of years lifted weights in my free time and was going to join up took the asfab (score 99) at age 20 but stuff happened and I never go the chance after that.

An interesting and big part of the book starship troopers(the movie is loosely based on the book) by ret. admr Robert Heinlein is that only people who have serviced in the armed forces are able to vote and be called citizens.
 
Danindetroit said:
ret. admr Robert Heinlein
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:confused: Does that "ret. admr" mean retired admiral?

It is my understanding that Heinlein retired from the Navy in August 1934 with the rank of lieutenant, junior grade - medically unfit for service. He tried to get in again in WWII, but was disqualified for medical reasons.
 
It is my understanding that Heinlein retired from the Navy in August 1934 with the rank of lieutenant, junior grade - medically unfit for service. He tried to get in again in WWII, but was disqualified for medical reasons.
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That is my understanding as well.
 
In an introduction to one of his books, someone wrote about "the retired Admiral" Heinline puttering around in his garden after an honorable career in the Navy. Or, said the author, that's what MIGHT have happened had Heinline not been medically retired at a young age. Instead, we got Heinline the author, which might never have happened had Heinline stayed in.

I suspect this was the genesis of the "Retired Admiral" rumor that floats around now and then.
 
I never new much about him as a person I just read his books, and I thought that on the back or a inside cover I read that he was an admiral, the last book I read of his was probably in 1983. I am sorry that bumping him up to admiral caused so much dismay. He did manage to graduate from Annapolis and served five years before he contracted TB. Though not a hero like John Kerry who sustained 3 "serious" battle wounds. During WWII he worked on research for high-altitude pressure suits (much like space suits) and radar at the Navy Experimental Air Station in Philadelphia. I guess he managed to help in WWII. His name if we are being totally factual is Robert Anson HEINLEIN. I don't believe for a moment he had a Kerry like motive for self promotion to either get combat time to get a promotionand a pentagon job or a political career. Heinlein who studied physics and mathematics tried politics before WWII, gave up writing in 1939 to work for the navy and convinced Issac Asimov, a chemist to help.

Now all the fact checking aside I think the point he tried to make in Starship Troopers was that you had to basiclly put your life on the line for your country by serving in the armed forces, and that you were tested and assigned the job you were best qualified for and that anybody no matter what physical condition, gender or, race could sign up, serve a year minimum and after by proving that level of commitment would be called a citizen and allowed to vote.

Better to spell a man's name correctly who served his country for 5+ years contracted a serious illness and still tried to help in time of war.
 
Ugh. I MUST be tired! I spelled HEINLEIN'S NAME WRONG?!?!?!?! :eek:


Thanks for the correction, Dan.




<EXIT - STAGE RIGHT. STILL MUTTERING, "I can't believe I spelled HEINLEIN'S name wrong! How many times did I read all of his books? What's wrong with me...." ETC.>

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The US military does NOT want a draft. The current US soldier, gets two years of education on at least two MOS (job descriptions) and they spend over $75,000 in that two years on training, etc.

If they are spec op, the $$'s go WAY UP.

The days of taking 'high school drop outs' and juvenile deliquents where judge gives them a choice of 'jail or da ARMY' are OVER. LIKE most corporations these days, the MILITARY has figured out if THEY go after the 'best and brightest' it serves their purposes quite well.

There is a new book coming out about Spec Op warriors in Afghanistan. The author EXPLAINS in clear concise language how these guys not only KNOW the language of the area they are going into, BUT do PhD in depth research about who's who in the whole area, what structure of war lords are, etc, LONG before ever hitting the ground. Author was imbedded with these guys for some period of time (I'm getting too OLD, short term memory fart - sorry), saying, "These guys know their stuff".

Plus, a lot of the jobs that used to NEED the 'high school graduate', like laundry, cooks, mechanics, etc are now all being done by contract, thereby freeing up soldiers to be the 'pointy end of the stick'.

SO, any suggestion of draft being reinstated will PROBABLY be fought by the 'NEWER, SMARTER MILITARY'.
 
My wife's college friend is married to an army recruiter who is going to Iraq very soon. I think they are considering raising the # of people who get into a special program for pepole who do not graduate and get their GED or hig school equivalancey in the military. If you have signed up as a high school senior and are due to ship out in mid-june they will push back your start date to finish summer school. Happened to 2 people I went to high school with they graduated late summer of 88 and shipped out in mid-september. You are right the military learned with viet nam that a volunteer army has more morale and is a better fighting force than draftees. My wife's cousin spent his first 3 years in tanks, and signed up for another 4 if he got to be retrained as a phlebotomist(mainly takes blood samples and uses lab equipment to analyze it using expensive med equip.) He can also actually take the blood. 2 years of training. He is out now took 16 credits at college has his Associates and is now going for his 4 year degree. Works at a hospital making $18 an hour where the average wage is probably $13. Put in his time and made some good moves by using the fact that the military wanted to keep him, any medical training will be useful in the civilian sector.
 
In every election for every office, you can usually (not always, but usually) be assured that a frightened Democrat candidate will try to frighten voters with: the Republican candidate is going to tamper with Social Security (somebody should start "tampering" with it soon, but it's a good ploy to use with seniors); the Republican candidate is going to eliminate school lunch programs, leaving starving kids with nowhere to get a meal; the Republican candidate is going to take your job and give it to the Chinese; the Republican candidate is going to take away your medications; etc.

Now, Kerry's working on a new scare tactic. Yeah, Charlie Rangel was talking about this two years ago, but that was in an effort to stop the invasion of Iraq.

How many here are old enough to remember the ad that Johnson ran against Goldwater in '64, with the innocent little girl and then a huge mushroom cloud?

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
Monkeyleg,
I must profess SEEING that ad, much less remembering it. I was 11.

You are correct. The more they change, the more they stay the same.
 
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