No it`s not a joke. I just got to try out a new Kahr K-9 Elite today side by side with my trusty ol Keltec. I thought you guys might like to hear how it went. First, I was suprised how small the Kahr was,darn near as small as the P-11 and slimmer through the slide. The just slightly longer grip was just enough for me to get a full grip. BTW the Kahr grip feels really good. The K-9`s trigger was great,short,light and SMOOTH. The P-11s was ,like always, just okay and long. The Kahr`s sights were great,nice crisp sight picture. The P-11`s are ,adequate. The Kahr trigger takes some getting used to (I`m already used to the Keltec). It`s to SA`ish to treat like a DA and too DA`ish to treat like an SA,but it feels really good. I was convinced the Kahr would blow my ol Keltec away in shooting drills and set out to prove it. Imagine my suprise when groups fired with the Kahr that *felt* super good,turned out to be mediocre. I spent the next 100rds. trying to get the groups to look as good as they "felt". The best I could muster with it was about 3" at 15yds. off hand. Next I gave the Keltec a chance,same, bout 3". On to the rapid fire drills. Again the Kahr felt great. I shot it okay but not great,again. Darn. Keltec? Didn`t feel as good but actually shot a little better. Bear in mind I`ve got thousands of rounds through the Keltec and about 100 through the Kahr. Sigh...I still think with more practice I can do much better with the Kahr where I`m about as good as I`m gonna get with the Keletc. BTW I was using a new FIST ultra thin kydex clip on IWB holster with the Kahr. Nice holster, super thin,the clip holds like a pitbull and it was fast into action while retaining the gun pretty well. Final conclusion: Since the Keltec shot just about as well for me as the Kahr and holds 3 more rounds I think it`s still a better bet (for me) as a carry gun. Still the Kahr Elite/FIST kydex holster combo is really sweet and I`m more than a little jealous. I`m looking foreward to shooting it again to see if I can wring some real accuracy out of it. I`m pretty sure it`ll do it if I can. Marcus