I think i want one with the beretta 92 grip in 9mm and a beretta 92(fs?) pistol in 9mm so i have a defensive carbine and handgun that take the same magazine/caliber. i have found the mags for a reasonable price and up to a 30 round capacity. any thoughts? keep in mind for several reasons i DONT want a glock.
Kel-Tec Sub 2000 advice
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Smart choice with going with the 9mm. I have a post on why the 9mm is better than the .40 cal with this carbine.
I suggest going with the same mags as your defensive pistol. I have all glocks so I got the sub 2000 for glock mags. They will all preform the same. I do have to say, if they make two different handle lengths for the Beretta like they do for the Glock, get the longer handled model.
The only thing I don't like is I get blowback and powder in my face when I shoot the sub 2000, but I am left handed.
I suggest going with the same mags as your defensive pistol. I have all glocks so I got the sub 2000 for glock mags. They will all preform the same. I do have to say, if they make two different handle lengths for the Beretta like they do for the Glock, get the longer handled model.
The only thing I don't like is I get blowback and powder in my face when I shoot the sub 2000, but I am left handed.
thanks ace. the side arm grip length will be the largest they offer. i dont like guns in the middle, as in, i either want a full sized gun or a little pocket pistol. i carry a full sized double stack .45 daily. the choice of 9mm is for recoil and economic reasons. if she can get her hands around it, i think my wife would do well with the 9mm and the larger capacity would be good as the only gun she likes right now is my S&W chiefs special (.38 snubby). would you post a link to your thread about these? do you know anything about the foldaway sight mount for the subby?
Here is the link.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=435504&highlight=sub+2000
Basically the 9mm in carbine offers the power of a .357 mag. The .40 in a carbine offers a little more power than the 10mm, which the FBI had over penetration problems with the 10mm and it was not transferring the energy so they were losing stopping power. Its all explained in that link above.
Im not sure what you want to know about the front sight when you fold it. The front sight just locks on to the buttstock.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=435504&highlight=sub+2000
Basically the 9mm in carbine offers the power of a .357 mag. The .40 in a carbine offers a little more power than the 10mm, which the FBI had over penetration problems with the 10mm and it was not transferring the energy so they were losing stopping power. Its all explained in that link above.
Im not sure what you want to know about the front sight when you fold it. The front sight just locks on to the buttstock.
We had one for a while and liked it for the most part, though there were a few surprises. For one thing, it recoiled a lot more than I would have expected for a pistol caliber. It's not bad or unmanageable by any means, but I was really quite surprised at how much recoil a pistol cartridge had in that carbine package. The other surprise was how difficult it was to work the charging handle, which is important to consider given the bolt doesn't lock on the last shot. It was stiff enough that my wife had difficulty working it reliably, not so much from a strength standpoint as much as just where the charging handle is located and how strong the recoil spring is.
That said, it was a real reliable rifle that served us well until we moved on to something different. There's a lot of aftermarket solutions to the aforementioned issues now too, but they're things to be aware of nonetheless.
That said, it was a real reliable rifle that served us well until we moved on to something different. There's a lot of aftermarket solutions to the aforementioned issues now too, but they're things to be aware of nonetheless.
I did notice the gun has more kick to it than what I thought should be expected from a "small" pistol caliber. It kicks more than expected because the carbine is very light, and its design. Yes the charging spring is strong and is hard to pull back. I have only about 400 shots through this gun. I have had it to the range several times to make sure it was reliable. The only reason I got it was for the wife. I leave one in the chamber, so I don't have to worry about charging it. She can shoot it no problem. I don't shoot it much because I don't like the blowback of powder in my face with me being left handed. My dad is also left handed but he says he doesn't get any powder to his face. I have read a few people have problem with the charging handle slapping them in the face, But nothing that could not be fixed with form.
Its a great little gun. Mine is 100% reliable. They are cheap, I paid right at 300 for mine, and the only reason I have it is so the wife can use it for home defense. Yes their are better guns out their, but she likes it, she is not scared of it, and she knows how to shoot it. Just get her something she enjoys shooting.
Its a great little gun. Mine is 100% reliable. They are cheap, I paid right at 300 for mine, and the only reason I have it is so the wife can use it for home defense. Yes their are better guns out their, but she likes it, she is not scared of it, and she knows how to shoot it. Just get her something she enjoys shooting.
chris in va
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I think the kick is mostly due to the blowback operation. My HiPoint carbine 9mm also recoiled more than expected.
Carne Frio
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Unless you ever need to clear a malfunction or reload the rifle, especially given that the bolt doesn't lock open on an empty magazine. Plus that would mean you could never fold the rifle since a loaded round just falls out when it's folded, and beyond that I can't keep a loaded rifle laying around anyway since I've got four kids in my home. It just didn't work ideally for us in the end, but YMMV.
Yes the "extra" kick is from the blow back operation. The H&K MP5 is the same way, just it has a delay in its blowback so it help with some of the kick. The kick is nowhere unmanageable, just surprising for a "small" pistol round. a 9mm in rifle configuration, I would have guessed when I first got it, it would have been like shooting a .22 cal rifle, no kick. It has a little kick, about like a .223.
I didnt buy it for the fold ability. And you cant fold it while its loaded. So it will not work for all. But if it ever jams, I keep other guns within reach.
I didnt buy it for the fold ability. And you cant fold it while its loaded. So it will not work for all. But if it ever jams, I keep other guns within reach.
i like back packs. i'm building a bug out kit for our run to the lake house (in the middle of nowhere unless traveling by boat) which is the family "refuge". so, i want a 9mm beretta 92fs for the wife if she's ok w/it , my .45 with me and the sub 2000 in the backpack. paranoid? no, i've read about some katrina stories and we had an epic tornado event here in alabama recently and i just want to be able to get safely away from danger. i'm excited about the foldability and the round. whats a good price for a used one? new? i hope to be picking one up soon w/the beretta grip. my buddy says he can order one at the pawn shop he runs and said he remembers hem costing about 400 bux. someone said the ballistics were similar to .357 mag. in a pinch, could you kill a whitetail with it up to, say, 75 yards?
Good luck finding one used.
I bought mine new around the last part of 2010. I think the local gun store wanted $290 for a glock model. They had another model (I think a Beretta model) in stock and it was about $15 cheaper, but I wanted the glock mag one. I was put third on the "waiting list". I waited two months and called them back and the first person on the list still didnt have theirs. I gave up hope and got mine off gunbroker. It was a littler higher in price (I think with shipping and FFL transfer fee I paid $330), but it was the model I wanted and I didnt have to wait any longer for the local shop. So I would say you should be able to get a new one like u want for $275-$300.
I think this is what you are looking for, but I am posting it as a price reference. buy it now for $305
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=233574606
Some of the sub 2000's on gunbroker are $400+, I have seen some as high as $500. They are screwing you if you pay that much. Its supply and demand.
I bought mine new around the last part of 2010. I think the local gun store wanted $290 for a glock model. They had another model (I think a Beretta model) in stock and it was about $15 cheaper, but I wanted the glock mag one. I was put third on the "waiting list". I waited two months and called them back and the first person on the list still didnt have theirs. I gave up hope and got mine off gunbroker. It was a littler higher in price (I think with shipping and FFL transfer fee I paid $330), but it was the model I wanted and I didnt have to wait any longer for the local shop. So I would say you should be able to get a new one like u want for $275-$300.
I think this is what you are looking for, but I am posting it as a price reference. buy it now for $305
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=233574606
Some of the sub 2000's on gunbroker are $400+, I have seen some as high as $500. They are screwing you if you pay that much. Its supply and demand.
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thanks to all of you guys. i wont get the glock because i want it to match a handgun and (i know, iknow) i dont like glocks. i have always liked the beretta and thousands of law enforcement and military can't be wrong, right?
P.S. if i can sell my mini 14 in the next 2 days i'll be buying the one you posted the link for! anyone want a "tacticool" mini?
P.S. if i can sell my mini 14 in the next 2 days i'll be buying the one you posted the link for! anyone want a "tacticool" mini?
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