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Kel-Tec P11 vs. Taurus P111 ?
- Thread starter RH
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I really like my PT 111. I must admit though that my primary reason for picking it over the Kel-Tec was its looks (and the fact that I own a couple of other Taurus guns that I like very much). I also liked the manual safety. The models I've seen at the gun stores recently also have the built in Taurus security system. This gun has been completely reliable with hollowpoints.
kingknives
New member
It just so happens, I wrote a side by side comparison of these two guns about a year ago. here's a link if you would like to read it.... http://members.aol.com/kingknives/pt-111.htm
These two guns were virtually identical as far as accuracy and reliability. At the time the Taurus was almost $100 more. I liked 'em both, but if I had to choose between the two, I would go with the Kel-Tec. Just my opinion. good luck choosing!
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These two guns were virtually identical as far as accuracy and reliability. At the time the Taurus was almost $100 more. I liked 'em both, but if I had to choose between the two, I would go with the Kel-Tec. Just my opinion. good luck choosing!
[This message has been edited by kingknives (edited May 02, 2000).]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RH:
what would you choose ? [/B][/quote]
RH,
I bought the Taurus PT111 when I first made this decision myself. I did so because of the very positive experience I have had with the two other Taurus handguns I own. This turned out to be a mistake as the PT111 broke after firing only 300 or so rounds. The firing pin bushing broke in half and rendered the pistol useless. (I'm -very- thankful this happened at the range instead of at a time when I might -need- it to work)
I sent the pistol to Taurus and they fixed it under warranty but I had already lost confidence in it. I'm not going to rely on a CCW pistol that is that fragile. I took it to one of the local gun shows and sold it and then purchased a Kel-Tec P11 and have never looked back. The Kel-Tec is smaller, lighter, has a better trigger and 15 round magazines are available. (S&W model 59 mags fit it) The only downside is that it is not quite as accurate (2.5" groups instead of 1.5") as the Taurus and it's not quite as nice looking. The up side was the Kel-Tec was quite a bit cheaper. Wish I would have saved myself all the trouble and bought the Kel-Tec to start with.
Hope this helps.
Joe/Ga
what would you choose ? [/B][/quote]
RH,
I bought the Taurus PT111 when I first made this decision myself. I did so because of the very positive experience I have had with the two other Taurus handguns I own. This turned out to be a mistake as the PT111 broke after firing only 300 or so rounds. The firing pin bushing broke in half and rendered the pistol useless. (I'm -very- thankful this happened at the range instead of at a time when I might -need- it to work)
I sent the pistol to Taurus and they fixed it under warranty but I had already lost confidence in it. I'm not going to rely on a CCW pistol that is that fragile. I took it to one of the local gun shows and sold it and then purchased a Kel-Tec P11 and have never looked back. The Kel-Tec is smaller, lighter, has a better trigger and 15 round magazines are available. (S&W model 59 mags fit it) The only downside is that it is not quite as accurate (2.5" groups instead of 1.5") as the Taurus and it's not quite as nice looking. The up side was the Kel-Tec was quite a bit cheaper. Wish I would have saved myself all the trouble and bought the Kel-Tec to start with.
Hope this helps.
Joe/Ga
kingknives, good article. As far as I am concerned I have nothing but positive things to say about my Taurus PT111. Do I like it? Yes, enough to have had MarkTHG spend his time to make me a holster. Regards, Richard.
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Walt Sherrill
New member
I've shot both the Kel-tec P-11 and PT-111 and prefer the P-11. I have a P-11.
The main advantage of the P-11 is that you can go to the Kel-Tec Owners Group website and learn darned near anything you need to know to keep the gun shooting. You can do your own gunsmithing, in effect.
And its cheaper.
On the other hand, I picked up a Star Firestar + the other day for a disgustingly low price, in near new condition. (I paid $129 at a pawn shop, but see them in NIB or ANIB for around $250 in this area.)
The STAR guns, while never particularly popular, are very well made guns, and typically very accurate. Most (if not all) are single-action only, but that simply means you carry cocked and locked.
The Firestar Plus is about the same size as the P-11/PT-111 (its really a bit larger, and a bit heavier, but not THAT much different). It has a 10-round capacity (13, if you want to buy an expensive mag), and is far, far easier to shoot well than either of the other two.
I think my Kel-Tec will kinda get pushed to the back of the gun safe, now.
[This message has been edited by Walt Sherrill (edited May 04, 2000).]
The main advantage of the P-11 is that you can go to the Kel-Tec Owners Group website and learn darned near anything you need to know to keep the gun shooting. You can do your own gunsmithing, in effect.
And its cheaper.
On the other hand, I picked up a Star Firestar + the other day for a disgustingly low price, in near new condition. (I paid $129 at a pawn shop, but see them in NIB or ANIB for around $250 in this area.)
The STAR guns, while never particularly popular, are very well made guns, and typically very accurate. Most (if not all) are single-action only, but that simply means you carry cocked and locked.
The Firestar Plus is about the same size as the P-11/PT-111 (its really a bit larger, and a bit heavier, but not THAT much different). It has a 10-round capacity (13, if you want to buy an expensive mag), and is far, far easier to shoot well than either of the other two.
I think my Kel-Tec will kinda get pushed to the back of the gun safe, now.
[This message has been edited by Walt Sherrill (edited May 04, 2000).]
There are other good guns that don't have to vacation in Coca Beach Florida or Brazil.
Those are PsOC!
Get real. the talking about the Star Firestar is on the right track! Talk to a gunsmith and get the scoop.
By the time you fluff and buff, you've spend 5-15 hours of your time on the gun. Now how much did you pay? And there ain't no buffing to fix that gritty as sand trigger pull. You can only smooth it out a little.
Stay away from them there cheap guns!
Get a Kahr E9 for $275 used or $350 new if you can find one. Now there is your value CCW 9mm gun!
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The Seattle SharpShooter
Those are PsOC!
Get real. the talking about the Star Firestar is on the right track! Talk to a gunsmith and get the scoop.
By the time you fluff and buff, you've spend 5-15 hours of your time on the gun. Now how much did you pay? And there ain't no buffing to fix that gritty as sand trigger pull. You can only smooth it out a little.
Stay away from them there cheap guns!
Get a Kahr E9 for $275 used or $350 new if you can find one. Now there is your value CCW 9mm gun!
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The Seattle SharpShooter