Keith Oberman on Bush/GOP tactics

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This was on MSNBC Thursday night. Link: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/A_Special_comment_about_lying_by_1006.html

Ought to be an interesting election year. "May you live in exciting times."


"It is startling enough that such things could be said out loud by any President at any time in this nation's history," Olbermann said. "Rhetorically, it is about an inch short of Mr. Bush accusing Democratic leaders, Democrats, the majority of Americans who disagree with his policies, of treason."
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It's sad to see Keith flailing away on MSNBC. Alas, he should have stayed with sports where he at least had some intelligent design and witicism. Unfortunately he has evolved into a nightly bash commentary and silly news clips. Many times he has started down the conspiracy theory avenue only to see it disappear---and then he never comments on it. He can actually be pretty funny at times, but the biggest problem his show has always exhibited is a combination of envy and most important, a lack of opposing viewpoints.:(
 
Speaking of sports, how 'bout my TIGERS!!!! :D

I agree about Oberman. He should have stayed in sports. I never understand why sports people branch off into other news in the first place.

Letterman had a John Madden impersonator Thursday night who was hilarious!

Um, how to keep this legal and political?

I fail to see how these guys and people like Al Franken think they're qualified to analyze political or military figures.
 
Hey! I've got a great idea: Let's attack the messenger so we can distract ourselves from the message....oh, I see you've already beaten me to it :rolleyes:
 
"... attack the messenger ..." ???

But there are examples where the messenger and his/her style is part of the message and it is intentional. The delivery: the snicker, the sneer, the knowing grin, that little shake of the head. You're not actually proposing that Mr. Olbermann is a reputable political journalist, just reporting the facts with no agenda, are you?
 
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Bud,
No, he's very evidently and unabashedly liberal. *But* he's every bit as qualified to comment on political matters as any of us, regardless of whether he used to be a sportscaster.
And just maybe he has a point.

I guess I'm just inviting people to dispute what he's saying instead of who he is.
 
Keith Olbermann

He's obviously one of the liberal socialist Democrats (Communists). He is one of the "Enemy Within". Hopefully, a majority of Americans will have enough intelligence to see through their Communist goals on election day.
 
Okay. Just checkin'. ... ;)

Hey, jkkimberfan, ever seen a list of liberal socialist Republicans (Communists)? I'd bet we could get a pretty good list going. 'Ever heard the acronym RINO? 'Ever heard of a Dem riding the wave of conservatism by changing costumes and running for office under different stripes? 'Think they really had a change of heart ... or do you imagine they just wanted to stay in office? Whaddya think?

Is that (R) behind their name a ticket to the hereafter?

'Partly joking with you, but those labels sure make an easy target. :)
 
More pablum for the masses, we know that the true sign of a politician lying is that his lips are moving.
 
But* he's every bit as qualified to comment on political matters as any of us, regardless of whether he used to be a sportscaster.
And just maybe he has a point.

I guess I'm just inviting people to dispute what he's saying instead of who he is.
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1. Who's any of us--you mean the people on this forum or other political analysts who actually have experience covering such things as Congress, the White House, Senate etc...and majored say in Political science or the like.
2. The reason about being a sportscaster was because he was a darn good 1 and is spinning his wheels at MSNBC--in fact he appears every day on ESPN radio with Dan Patrick instead of covering politics.
3. The whole tone of his show--outside of the lead bash Bush story each night is regarding funny stories, funny news items and entertainment news.
4. There are more then enough people who could/would dispute the agenda he puts forward. That's the problem, it's an agenda---he makes a statement then proceeds (Always) with a guest to back up his point of view. No intelligent discussions or opposing ideas. When the truth comes out, he simply never mentions the story again. For example--he was all over the Valerie Plame story---until it didn't fit his agenda/conspiracy anymore--never mentioned again.
5. BTW, his name is Olbermann.
 
"Let's attack the messenger"

You mean like certain members of TFL do when they call the President names?

Just checking.

John
 
You mean like certain members of TFL do when they call the President names?
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Nope. They're attacking his misguided messages and leadership. Nice try tho' :rolleyes:

Still no comment regarding what Olberman said?
 
Why should we comment on what he said? I read all 4 pages of the transcript. That is a lot easier than listening to the sneer in his delivery. His commentary contains some facts, some distorted facts, some opinion and some outright denial of fact. He reminds me a lot of O'Reilly. I can't watch either one of them for long ... about two minutes at a stretch. Just too partisan.

I'll say it again, some people are "too right to be wrong." Facts do not sway this type. I don't have all the facts and I sure don't expect to get them from Olbermann or O'Reilly.
 
Bud,
Why should we comment on what he said?
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Oh...I dunno. Maybe because it's the topic of this thread?
His commentary contains some facts, some distorted facts, some opinion and some outright denial of fact.
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Fair 'nuff, at least we're getting somewhere now. Examples?
 
And do you have any opinion on *this* comment?
"It is startling enough that such things could be said out loud by any President at any time in this nation's history," Olbermann said. "Rhetorically, it is about an inch short of Mr. Bush accusing Democratic leaders, Democrats, the majority of Americans who disagree with his policies, of treason."
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Because I personally get sick of the whole "it's unAmerican to question authority" routine.
 
"It is startling enough that such things could be said out loud by any President at any time in this nation's history," Olbermann said. "Rhetorically, it is about an inch short of Mr. Bush accusing Democratic leaders, Democrats, the majority of Americans who disagree with his policies, of treason."
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Olbermann should try testing his theory in Russia. I don't think there is a significant portion of either party that believes you can't question authority, or that it's somehow un-American. Where else on earth are you going to find the nation's leader more publicly mocked, ridiculed, questioned and panned than in this country? I'd say it's an American tradition!

As far as the talking heads like Olbermann and O'Reilly, they serve no purpose other than partisan cheerleading and digging the trench between the citizens in this country even deeper. The transcript of Obermann's message isn't any better than something you would find from any other paid commentator. For example, you have this segment at the beginning:

And evidently he has begun to fancy himself as a mind reader.

“If you listen closely to some of the leaders of the Democratic Party,” the president said at another fundraiser Monday in Nevada, “it sounds like they think the best way to protect the American people is — wait until we’re attacked again.”
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While i think Bush has firmly overstepped his bounds on a number of occasions (honestly), I can't say that i disagree with what he says here. And, if you want to be pedantic, he's indicating an interpretation of their statements ('sounds like'). If he was 'mind reading', he would say 'The leaders in the Democratic Party think the best way to protect the American people is to wait until we're attacked again'.

But you don't need my example of mind reading, Olbermann demonstrates it quite nicely himself:
It is the terror and the guilt within your own heart, Mr. Bush, that you redirect at others who simply wish for you to temper your certainty with counsel.
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So many talk about mending fences and bringing the country back together, but it's precisely this kind of commentary that makes it so hard. How can you possibly meet in the middle when you have folks like this eroding the ground to stand on?
 
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Keith Oberman on Bush/GOP tactics
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Mr. Oberman's ratings are just below old Gilligan's Island reruns therefore he has hit upon the idea of making outlandish and idiotic claims against President Bush; his entire show is one large anti-Bush crusade. While he is free to do this, to do it within the realms of honest and unbiased journalism is a fraud. Clearly Onerman is no newsman but a showman and a circus act.

Insofar as the claim that some Democrats are treasonous, that is certainly no news story but business as usual. The charges of treason and sedition are no longer used but should be. We are at war. Add up detractions to that war from the Democrat camp and see why many of them are making it harder for soliders in the field. DoD letters should be sent to relatives of deceased that are amended to say, "We are sorry your son/daughter died in action and gave their life to defend freedom; their loss is partly attributed to actions directly caused by the Democrat Party." Yes it is that bad! Party division in Washington and politicals-as-usual has trancended to open warfare and acts by Democrats against the best interest of our boys and girls (men and women) in Uniform. The New York Times puts this nation in peril on a daily basis. Acts of Treason and Sedition committed daily. The president should comment on it.
 
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