Keep Out! You can't go here! This area CLOSED!

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crossbones

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The administration is using the Antiquities Act to close off countless lands to human enjoyment. No camping, no fishing, no rock climbing, no bicycle riding, no hunting, no nuthin'!

You are hereby ordered to "KEEP THE HELL OUT"!

Protecting lands against development is a good thing. But to make impossible the enjoyment of these land by declaring them a national monument (which outlaws hunting, fishing, camping, etc) does an injustice and disservice to Americans who want to enjoy the outdoors.


If you are interested in protecting our right to enjoy the outdoors, if you want to keep development at bay, if you want to protect our lands yet still be able to enjoy them, then you need to visit the "International Hunting Lands Association". http://216.126.198.144/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro

They are regular guys like you and I who want nothing more than to preserve lands for our future use and enjoyment.

Don't let Klinton take the back door approach and ban you from enjoyment of the outdoors. He uses the "Antiquities Act" to create "National Monuments" in order to circumvent the normal law making process and close off lands to you and I. If he had to deal with state legislatures and congress he would loose......... so he stretches the current law by using the antiquities act to ban you from enjoyment of these lands. Does that really surprise anyone?

It is possible to protect lands without banning virtually everybody!

Please join the IHLA and help aquire and protect our precious lands from exploitation while not banning people forever from, fishing, hunting, camping, hiking or other enjoyment of these lands!! Click here if you want to enjoy the outdoors while not being banned forever. http://216.126.198.144/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro
 
Crossbones, how dare you think you have the right to hunt the King's deer! Or trespass on the King's land!

Serfs and peasants have no rights! Everything belongs to the King!

Get with the program and bow to your King! J.B.
 
Remember a place called the Greenbrier (spelling) in West VA. It’s a mountain resort. For years the government had their own little resort. It is under the Greenbrier and was top secret. Something that big cant stay secret forever. I’m talking about a place big enough for all the big wigs in Washington plus their families. Stocked to keep them ok for months. No doubt construction is under way in many, if not all of the "National Monuments".
 
Not too long ago I saw a blurb about a proposed HUGE tract in Alaska that was to be "protected". Just happens that this tract contains massive oil reserves. Good way to justify kissin the OPEC behinds for ever more.

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
Here in Northern Kalifornia the state, us, purchased a bankrupt game ranch, The Dye Creek Ranch. It has some of the finest hog hunting on the left coast. It is managed by Dept of Fish and Game. Can WE hunt there? Not unless you are willing to fork over HIGH fees for guided hunts. We, the people, bought the place, but we can't use it freely.

The King's deer, indeed. Well said J.B.

Poaching on the King's land may be and act of civil disobedience. Maybe it is protected under the First Amendment as a form of political protest! The ACLU might have to join up on this one!
 
Hey the government is just trying to preserve the wilderness in its pristine, unmarked glory for the day they sell it to the oil and lumber companies.

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There's no such thing as too much love, too much money or too much ammo.
 
Found the article mentioned earlier - bold italics mine:

http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/06/16/bc.congress.spending.ap/index.html

House OKs lands bill, kills GOP curbs on national monuments

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A divided House approved a $14.6 billion measure early Friday financing federal land and cultural programs after killing a Republican move to curb President Clinton's ability to preserve land by declaring areas to be national monuments.

After debating the measure since Tuesday, the House approved the overall bill by 204-172, setting up a possible veto battle with Clinton. He objects to the measure's 70 percent cut in his proposal for $620 million to buy federal and local park lands, and to reductions in his plans for clean water and Indian, arts and energy-efficiency programs.

The Senate has yet to write its own version of the legislation.

Moderate Republicans joined Democrats in deleting language that would have prohibited the Interior Department from "design, planning or management" of any national monuments designated since the beginning of this year. The language, by Rep. James Hansen, R-Utah, had already prompted a White House veto threat of the spending bill that included it.

Over the objections of many Republicans and local businesses, Clinton has designated eight new national monuments and expanded an existing one since January. The new monuments cover nearly 2 million in acres in Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon and Washington state.

"This president is engaging in the biggest land grab since the invasion of Poland," said Rep. Helen Chenoweth-Hage, R-Idaho.

Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., who led the effort to delete the provision, accused Republicans of a "backdoor" attempt to, in effect, prevent the president from protecting public lands. Clinton's efforts to protect the land has been one of his signature initiatives as president.

With both sides looking ahead to this November's elections, the fight echoed the numerous environmental battles waged between Republicans and Clinton since the GOP took control of Congress in 1995.

Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., accused Republicans of an effort worthy of "extreme anti-environmentalists." Rep. Bob Schaffer, R-Colo., said Clinton's designations were a campaign strategy in which "vast, beautiful landscapes are used as nothing more than backdrop for political press conferences."

On the key vote, lawmakers voted 234-187 to reject an effort by Hansen to keep his language intact. Thirty-eight Republicans joined 195 Democrats and 1 independent in opposing Hansen; 177 Republicans, 9 Democrats and 1 independent voted "yes."

The House then voted 243-177 to delete the Hansen provision and another section of the bill aimed at slowing government efforts to tighten land-use restrictions in federal lands along the Columbia River Basin in the Northwest. Later, the House reversed itself and agreed to impede the Columbia Basin land-use regulations.

In an administration policy statement, White House officials wrote that Hansen's provision was an effort "to nullify nine recent designations, which the American public has strongly endorsed, and to prevent the president from moving decisively in the future to protect and preserve other sites for future generations."

Clinton made the designations under the 1906 Antiquities Act, which allows a president to designate federal lands as monuments for historic or scientific reasons. Republicans said he had used the law to set aside more land than it intended, and had made designations without informing local members of Congress and other officials.

"It all comes down to one thing, an abuse of power," said Hansen. "I don't know of one president who has abused his power more than this one has."

Clinton also designated the 1.9 million-acre Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument in Utah in 1996, which would not have been affected by Hansen's provision.

The nearly 3.9 million acres Clinton has designated as national monuments ranks him second among presidents who have used the Antiquities Act. President Carter set aside 56 million acres, all in Alaska.

The type of activities allowed in national monuments varies. Under Clinton, most allow existing mining and grazing operations to continue but prohibit new ones to start. Permissible recreational activities vary.

Earlier, an effort by Rep. George Nethercutt, R-Wash., to protect bill language preventing new management rules in the Columbia River Basin was defeated by 221-206. But late in the evening, with some lawmakers having left for home, the House voted 197-180 to restore Nethercutt's provision.

In an effort that began in 1993, federal officials want to impose new land-use regulations on 63 million acres of federal land in Washington state, Oregon, Idaho and Montana.

The rules are aimed at protecting forests, range lands and endangered salmon and bull trout in the area. They would allow increased logging but less grazing on the lands, close some roads, and take steps to protect streams.

Nethercutt said the rules would dramatically effect local landowners, and said the administration was ignoring legal requirements that the consequences on local businesses be considered. Democrats said Nethercutt's language would hurt preservation efforts.

Copyright 2000 The Associated Press.
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Time to write those Congressman thanks or %#$^&* depending on how they voted. I think it would be a good idea to write your senators too. Jay Baker's "King's land" would be a good point to stress. Mr. Wilburn's post is a good start. Land is being taken from us for the monied elite's private use.



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