Katrina aftermath shows that we are on our own

progunner1957

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The lack of swift response from the U.S. Government to the horrific carnage of hurricane Katrina - and the lawlessness in New Orleans - is one huge wake-up call to all who believe in the fairy tale that "The Government," AKA Uncle Sugar, will provide for everyone.

Wake up, people - "The Government" cannot make everything okay. When it comes down to it, we are on our own - each and every one of us.

The Battle of New Orleans
Even in America, civil order is more fragile than we think.

Friday, September 2, 2005 12:01 a.m.

Of all the bad news from New Orleans, the most disturbing has been the reports of spreading disorder, with looting, marauding gangs and even sniper fire at helicopters and rescue workers. Americans sometimes expect their government to do far too much--such as ensure low gasoline prices--but they do have a right to expect that it will at least provide for the safety of its citizens, even or perhaps especially in a crisis.

One reason for the New Orleans breakdown is the size of the calamity, whose growing severity caught nearly everyone by surprise. Louisiana National Guard troops that were deployed initially for rescue and relief efforts weren't available for the more basic duties of public security. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is also geared to providing relief, not order, and only yesterday did the federal government begin to focus on the potential anarchy. Among our political leaders, only Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour seemed to appreciate the genuine risk of disorder, with his early warnings that looters would not be given the benefit of the doubt.

By the way, the allegation that enough National Guard troops aren't available because many are deployed in Iraq doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The Louisiana Guard has something like 3,500 men and women deployed in Iraq, but that leaves another 8,000 or so troops available for post-Katrina duty, and neighboring states undamaged by the hurricane have still others who could be called upon. All told, the Pentagon now estimates that 30,000 National Guard troops will be deployed along the Gulf coast, and another 3,000 regular Army soldiers to pursue the armed gangs on the loose. Our advice is: Do whatever it takes.

One frequent reaction we heard yesterday is that the disorder in New Orleans is typical of Third World countries, something that was thought could never happen in America. This happens to overlook a fair chunk of U.S. history, some of it relatively recent, including riots and violence. But it is also a sign of complacency born of prosperity and the resilience of our legal and civic institutions.

This battle of New Orleans should remind us that civic order, even in America, is more fragile than we like to think. After this week and amid the continuing threat of terrorism, our political leaders at all levels are going to have to think harder about how to maintain order in the next crisis.
 
Well, who stayed in NO? The weak, infirm, poor and criminal. The line between criminal and poor is crossed quite often. Mix in desperation and profiteering and one has a quite the combination on their hands.

This can happen in any big city. Do you think one little glock is going to save you? If you are even remotely serious about keeping alive when a disaster, manmade or natural, comes in, you better have some serious fire power. Because they will.
 
Along these lines...

I read a story in the paper the other day about the anniversary of the school raid in Russia... (it was Russia, right?)

Some woman was actually articulating complaints about how the government was supposed to keep the people safe, and what struck me most was her reiteration that the government was supposed to "take care of their lives" or some words to that effect. It was really disturbing. She really was looking to government to lead her life by the nose... :barf:

Some really believe that's government's role. Even stupider people believe that the government is a caring, benevolent entity that actually is gonna try.

-blackmind
 
"Katrina aftermath shows that we are on our own"

I never thought otherwise. Even during routine, non-crisis situations, law enforcement is very likely to appear well after the damage occurs, simply because their resources are limited and they are not omnipresent. Further, our courts have long indicated that government does not have the duty to protect (i. e., failure to provide adequate protection is not the basis for a successful civil tort lawsuit against the government). Good law enforcement agencies -- and there are many -- will investigate, arrest, and help incarcerate, which certainly removes criminals for society. However, that is far from a guarantee of safety, which means every one of us remains principally responsible for his own well-being.
 
This can happen in any big city. Do you think one little glock is going to save you? If you are even remotely serious about keeping alive when a disaster, manmade or natural, comes in, you better have some serious fire power. Because they will.
Exactly why My wife wants her own gun now. I also plan to add to my current defensive capability. The demographics here are not much different than in NO, and we don't live in the finer part of town. I'm thinking another 12ga, a couple .45s, and a good .45 carbine. We'll be urban survivalists.
 
We have a huge population of poeple in the U.S. who will always wait for the government to fix everything including natural disasters.
Why because for them its a way of life goverment provides their home puts food on their table pays for medical care even mows the yard in some cases.

?? Who would keep small children in the area even though its known for days that a cat. 4 or 5 hurricaine may hit close

?? Who would not at least keep a few days of canned food and water on hand at all times

?? Who are the young healthy men who sit and gripe instead of searching for canned food water for the weak and elderly.

?? Who was the elderly lady on her death bed attended by her middle aged daughter who stated she begs for water but i am to weak to get any.
When asked if rescue wokers were dropping water she said yes but the stronger ones always beat her to it.
They panned the camera around the convention center there were lots of young men who look like they could be football players and there seemed to be bottles of water near most of them.

A truly sad day for Americans i believe the residents of some third wourld countrys would have shown more compassion for their weaker brothers.
 
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Funny thing about being on our own, those who got out before the hurricane don't seem to have had all the emergency problems, risk of drowning, and generally got out with a helluva lot more than just their clothes. They aren't missing their medication, haven't lost immediate family members, and generally didn't suffer fighting the storm.

So sure enough, those folks who didn't bother to leave even though NO has been below sea level forever, protected from the Mississippi and Lake Ponchetrain (sp?) via levies not suited to handle a category 5 hurricane, they were in trouble after the storm.

I swear, it isn't like NO hasn't been flooded before by major storm, people killed, drowned, etc. There are few worse places a person could be along the Gulf coast with the threat of an incoming hurricane than in NO. As near as I can tell, those folks are lucky they are getting any help at all. They should not have been there.
 
I think the most shocking thing I've seen this situation bring out among us here is that some of our own (even some of the TFL staff) who used to preach self reliance and individual responsibility have denounced some of the rest of us as being hardhearded, bigoted and racist when we don't put on a show of co-dependence. We're racist because we point out that a good bit of the behaviors we see displayed on CNN is learned helplessness and people's expectation for the governemnt to chew their food for them. We're bigots because we insist on allowing people the same freedom to make their own life decisions as we demand for ourselves.

It doesn't matter that we may be privately sending money or aid to the area, doesn't matter we might have relatives we worry about who are having what's left of their worldy goods toted off by riffraff (relatives who also happen to be Black, Cajun or Hispanic). It doesn't matter what we do, only what the "World" perceives we feel. If we don't join the elitists in begging the government to expand its scope and power we are racists and bigots. Its all about appearances.

Sorry but the flip side of the coin of your personal freedom and ability to make your choices without government controlling every aspect of your life is the risk that someone who habitually makes poor choices might get into trouble.
 
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I fully intend to give all i can afford to help the people of lo. and Miss.
Especially those who must start over and rebuild their homes and replace possesions lost.
As for the public houseing theres no worry there our government will just deduct it from our payroll like always.
O yeah and again when we spend what we have left and again for the privilidge of owning property.
And again at the end of the year just to be sure that we give our fair share.
But for the working folks and disabled and elderly i will gladly dig deeper.
 
This should also be a wake up call to those who think that all problems can be solved or avoided through "the inherent goodness of human nature."
 
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