Kahr P380 reliability questions

OhioGuy

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Someone at my range is selling his P380. He's had it around a year and has put around 500 rounds through it. I'm interested in buying it and today I got to shoot it. In 50 rounds I had 2 misfires (which did fire when I put them through a second time) and several failures of the gun to go fully into battery, requiring me to smack the slide with my palm to seat it.

Both "duds" were from the same box of Winchester FMJ "Train and Defend." I've shot almost 800 rounds of it in 9mm and have never had a single failure, so it's odd that I'd get two in one box here.

As to the gun, it had a pretty generous coating of pocket lint. He said he'd last cleaned it about 2 months ago. Given Kahr's overall reputation for reliability, I would assume that the two duds were a fluke of that particular box of ammo (the owner said he's never had it fail to fire before, but he's never run Winchester) and that the slide issues could be fixed by a good cleaning and oiling.

The slide popped forward once on its own when I inserted a magazine, and once failed to go into slide lock (though I may have had my thumb resting against it).

On the other hand...if I'm going to trust my life to something, it needs to go bang EVERY time. And it needs to start banging again when I change magazines, EVERY time. Can't be fooling with slides getting stuck.

Has anyone had much experience with this model? Similar instances? I plan to go poke around some Kahr forums too.

On the sunny side, the gun shot great and was accurate--kept everything inside the 9 ring out to 40 feet. It also didn't slip out of my hand the way some other little pocket guns have done.
 
I almost didn't get one because of all the horror stories on the Internet. Glad I didn't let that sway my decision. It has been one hundred percent with about 400 rounds!! I have to say, it is one of the easiest pocket gun to shoot!! I would probably buy a new cw380 than a used p380. If there were to be a problem kahr would get it running right for you. Hope this helps.
 
Mine has been great. No issues at all. I followed the break in procedures found on Kahrtalk, and the gun needs to be clean, sparingly lubed and fired with a firm grip.

A brief production run, in a specific s/n range, did have significant issues. You could get that info from Kahrtalk. For this reason, I echo the above and recommend buying new.
 
I had a P380 dud

I really wanted to like the gun. Great size for pocket, perfect weight, decent sights but it jammed with several types of ammo, both ball and JHPs. I used both magazines, and jams continued. I traded to my brother in law who performed a fluff and buff on it. No luck. He sold it to an aquaintance with full disclosure about feed problems. This was a few years ago so maybe they worked out the bugs.
 
I really want to find a way to make it work, as he's selling the gun plus two spare magazines and four boxes of ammo at the price of a new CW380.

Plus if I buy a new one, I'll need another $80+ in ammo just to break it in. This one is past the break in point now.

I will see if he'll clean and lube it and let me run another 100 through it. I will also get the serial number and find out the manufacturer date, and see whether it falls within range if any guns with known issues.

Everyone says Kahr is known for "extremely tight fits" and some threads I'm reading say they're more sensitive to staying clean. This gun was almost coated in lint so maybe it wasn't a fair trial.
 
Mine was awful. 1000 rounds (yes!) and it still wasn't dependable, even after a trip back to Kahr. You want something reliable, get the standard LCP.
 
Mine was awful. 1000 rounds (yes!) and it still wasn't dependable, even after a trip back to Kahr. You want something reliable, get the standard LCP.

What reliability problems were you having? Were these related to the slide or failures to fire?

I wasn't crazy about the LCP I shot, I liked the Kahr better but reliability trumps all else! I'll bet the LCP will get cheaper now that the second version is out and popular. I really like the new LCP2 but I'm not excited about carrying a cocked single action gun with no safety and a huge warning from Ruger never to carry it chambered!
 
This one is past the break in point now.

Which should tell you something (and I'm not a believer in mandatory break-ins before a pistol is expected to function properly). It's been my experience that few pistols "cure" themselves after they show signs of malfunctioning. Too, do you really want to depend on any firearm for self-defense that is picky about the ammunition it uses?
I'd opt for the new CW380 before I'd take a chance on a likely headache.
 
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These guns are ammo finicky the best rounds I have found Hornady XTP. I have had the exact same problems with other ammo, failure to go into battery failure to feed. Still breaking mine in and hoping for the best. So for pretty disgusted with reliability of this pistol.
 
So I just confirmed the seller is not the original owner, rather he bought it from the range as a "little used rental gun."

I think that probably kills it for me unless he drops the price considerably. Neither I nor he really knows how the gun was handled or treated (or dropped or whatever) by people renting it.
 
Mosin44az said:
Mine was awful. 1000 rounds (yes!) and it still wasn't dependable, even after a trip back to Kahr. You want something reliable, get the standard LCP.
Plus, the LCP's have aftermarket 10 and 15 rd extended mags made by Promag that work! The 15 rounder is silly long, but the 10 rounder is just the right length and it adds more grip for the pinky.
 
There is not enough room here to tell you the stories of my experience with Kahr with the PM 9 and the 380. Also the stories of returns at the LGS I worked out for a while.Nothing but trouble,

Of all the guns out there I would avoid the Kahr especially a used one.!!!

Get a Ruger , SW bodyguard heck even a KelTec:) at least they will fix it:))

When it comes to 380s's I have or have had them all as pocket carry down here is about the only way to go

CDNN has great price on the Ruger right now ( the original version) $230

I carried the Ruger for years and now have the SW Bodyguard, Have not seen the new improved Ruger yet but would wait a while before buying one of those.
 
I'm seeing the Taurus TCP380) now discontinued, selling mg for like $170. It's also had quite a few good reviews at least as far as reliability and consistency. Anyone had that one? I know the new spectrum is replacing it but it isn't selling yet, and it's too new to know reliability
 
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OhioGuy; I'm a bit of a sucker for .380s. Owned quite a few and traded most. I've kept the Kahr, the SIG 232, Seecamp and the Glock. Traded the KelTec, Kevin (micro desert eagle), Walther PPK and the LCP.

Get your hands on the Glock; no reliability issues or ammo sensitivity, you won't need a break in and you won't need to send it back. Plus it's a LOT more fun to shoot than anything else in .380 that I've handled.
 
I've shot the Glock 42 and was very impressed but it's kinda big for a "pocket" gun. Also pricey. Maybe I'll go back to it.
 
Beretta Pico is the answer. Reliable, good sights, small and very thin, hammer fired DAO. Perfect.
 
Beretta Pico is the answer. Reliable, good sights, small and very thin, hammer fired DAO. Perfect.

I've looked at this too. I've read a lot of good things about the Beretta. Second generation anyway. You've never had feed issues with it?
 
OhioGuy, to answer your query, I had failures to feed, failures to FIRE (light striker hits), failures to eject (stove pipes), slide lockbacks in the middle of a magazine. Checked my logs, had 33 malfs in 1215 rounds total, including 9 in 675 rounds AFTER it came back from Kahr.

WAY more than enough for me never to trust it, though clearly I wanted it to work. I think you are right to move on from that pistol.

Kahrs seem well-built, and shoot well. In my opinion they are built too tight, and otherwise are not designed to run reliably unless you use JUST the right ammo (good luck finding it without spending gobs of money), and hold them just right. The essence of finicky. No more for me.
 
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