Kahr "Forum"
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There's an interesting link in their to the NIJ firearms study, where they say that the MK9 flunked the drop safety test. I've never heard of this. But, I don't think it'll deter my carrying this sweet little piece.
There's an interesting link in their to the NIJ firearms study, where they say that the MK9 flunked the drop safety test. I've never heard of this. But, I don't think it'll deter my carrying this sweet little piece.
Hey Buzz. You know, even though the MK9 has logged more hours on my hip than another CCW, there's something about it's DAO design that has me worried about an unintentional discharge. I've been carrying firearms (off & on) for around 18 years so it isn't like I'm new to the idea of having a loaded gun on me. There's just something about it that makes me uneasy -- I think that it has something to do with the fact that if the internal safety ever fails, I'll never know about it. Unlike a firearm with a manul safety which you can periodically check to see if it's still operational. Regards,
FUD
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FUD
Share what you know, learn what you don't.
riddleofsteel
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so just what safety are you araid is going to fail? in waht way is the safety factor on the Kahr any different than any other DAO or Glock. the stricker on a Kahr is always half cocked. unless the trigger is pulled the striker can not move into fire posistion or "cocked" posistion. plus pulling the trigger to the rear of the trigger guard moves the firing pin block. so in effect there must be two safety failures that happen at one to get an accidental discharge. so the fireing pin block has to fail, plus something has to physically pull back the striker which is inside the slide, and release it. don't sound to likely to me.
of course every time i holster a Kahr with it's long but smooth trigger pull i think about clothing or holster snagging that trigger and you know BANG. choose your holsters carefully so that they completely cover the trigger guard and be sure the holster is clear when inserting the pistol. no different than a glock or a finly tunned revolver.
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of course every time i holster a Kahr with it's long but smooth trigger pull i think about clothing or holster snagging that trigger and you know BANG. choose your holsters carefully so that they completely cover the trigger guard and be sure the holster is clear when inserting the pistol. no different than a glock or a finly tunned revolver.
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what is for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
Let he that hath no sword sell his garment and buy one. Luke 22-36
They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night. Song of Solomon 3-8
The man that can keep his head and aims carefully when the situation has gone bad and lead is flying usually wins the fight.
riddleofsteel, I'm not a big fan of Glocks either for the same reason. The difference between a Kahr and a double action revolver is about 4-6 extra pounds on the trigger pull. Don't get me wrong, the MK9 is my primary CCW (I just feel uncomfortable with safeties that I can't verify -- for example, on a Beretta, S&W, etc., I can put the safety on and pull the trigger on an unloaded gun to confirm that the safety is still operational and has not failed but I do not know of how to perform a similar test on a Kahr, Glock, etc.).
FUD, I agree with you -- I have a K40 which is my favorite CCW piece, but I have that same fear of ND for some reason which I don't with other weapons. I also agree with riddleofsteel's fear of ND while reholstering, which is why I use a good kydex holster. But you can mechanically verify the safety features of your Kahr: with the weapon UNLOADED (you checked twice, right?) verify that after racking the slide, the striker is behind the trigger cam in the frame (you'll know this because if its not, the trigger pull will be lighter and there will be no Click). Then, when breaking the weapon down for cleaning, check the firing pin block by pushing the striker forward with your finger, and then pushing the release and verifying that the tip of the pin doesn't extend past the breech face UNLESS the release is depressed. (Do note, however, that the manufacturer doesn't recommend pulling the striker back and releasing it under spring tension against the firing pin block, as doing this repeatedly may actually break or weaken it).
I think most of the fear is purely psychological, although it worries me a little, too. Just remember that safety is 99% behavioral, and you'll be fine.
I think most of the fear is purely psychological, although it worries me a little, too. Just remember that safety is 99% behavioral, and you'll be fine.
VictorLouis
New member
FUD, let me try to put you at ease a bit. I recently "detailed" my E9 for some fluff and buff. It is probably one of the most difficult pistols to disassemble that I've ever done. But, riddle pretty much spelled it out correctly regarding the safety aspect.
The cocking cam has two functions. The first part of the pull begins to retract the striker mechanism toward what would be "fully cocked". As this is near its release, the forward facing "hump" on the cam depresses the sriker safety, allowing the striker freedom to move forward.
If the first hump on the cam were to disintegrate, the striker would be stopped by its safety from moving foward. If the second(forward) hump were gone, the safety still could not be released. If the safety itself was totally gone, the striker is still held at bay by the upward poiting hump that engages the stiker. Such a catastrophic failure is unlikely.
IIRC, the OM says to check the striker safety like this: Holding the slide upside down, manually retract the striker "slightly" and ease it back forward, toward the breechface. If the stiker doesn't depress under force of gravity, the spring is doing its job. If the tip doesn't come through, then the body of the safety is still blocking the striker effectively.
FWIW, I would be more concerned about the newer style intertial firing pin system in the +&+ revolvers allowing for a discharge. Sorry if I was a tad long-winded in my explanation. Hope I helped.
The cocking cam has two functions. The first part of the pull begins to retract the striker mechanism toward what would be "fully cocked". As this is near its release, the forward facing "hump" on the cam depresses the sriker safety, allowing the striker freedom to move forward.
If the first hump on the cam were to disintegrate, the striker would be stopped by its safety from moving foward. If the second(forward) hump were gone, the safety still could not be released. If the safety itself was totally gone, the striker is still held at bay by the upward poiting hump that engages the stiker. Such a catastrophic failure is unlikely.
IIRC, the OM says to check the striker safety like this: Holding the slide upside down, manually retract the striker "slightly" and ease it back forward, toward the breechface. If the stiker doesn't depress under force of gravity, the spring is doing its job. If the tip doesn't come through, then the body of the safety is still blocking the striker effectively.
FWIW, I would be more concerned about the newer style intertial firing pin system in the +&+ revolvers allowing for a discharge. Sorry if I was a tad long-winded in my explanation. Hope I helped.