Just not clicking with my CZ P01

chaim

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OK, I have been a CZ fan for years (I've had my CZ 75B for 16 years now). I've owned a CZ 40B that I liked but sold when I needed money (and regretted since then). I'm always recommending CZ on various gun boards. I'm definitely a fan. However, for some reason my CZ P01 has not really clicked with me yet.

I bought it a year ago last fall so I've had it a while (almost a year and a half now). I bought it because it seemed like it would be a good carry gun for me (when I'm in a state where I can carry). For years, I carried as small as possible, but I had recently changed philosophy on that. While it is nice to have a smaller gun or two available when that is all that would do, for day to day use I had changed over to preferring something with as much capacity and capability as possible/practical. I liked the traditional compact size with a near full size capacity, space for my hand, and recoil absorption/follow up shot speed, yet still being smaller than a full size for concealment. It also came as I was changing from valuing capacity/higher size/greater capability as my #1 criteria to (while still valuing it highly), it dropped to #2 behind carrying what I shoot best. Well, the two platforms I always have shot best are the 1911 and my full sized CZ 75B. I find that with 1911s there is a very marginal difference between how well I shoot a full sized, lightweight Commander size (my S&W 1911SC) or Officer sized (my RIA), so maybe the marginally smaller compact sized CZs would be as good in my hands as the CZ 75B.

On the plus side, it is pretty accurate compared to most other guns for me, though not up to what I can do with a 1911 or the full sized 75B. It hasn't had any reliability issues whatsoever, which possibly makes it even more reliable than my CZ 75B or the CZ 40 I used to have since they both needed a short break-in period. In comparison, I went through some old posts of mine here and the CZ 40 had 2 or 3 failures to feed in the first 200 or so rounds (then went a couple thousand more with no issues before I sold it), and my CZ 75B had 2 or 3 FTE in the first 200 rounds before many thousands without a problem (in 10-20K rounds since then it has had so few issues I could count them on one hand). So, if the P01 continues to be trouble free it is actually more reliable than they are/were.

Unfortunately, I'm just not liking it all that much (and I've never actually carried it aside from carrying around the apartment). While fairly accurate, it isn't as accurate in my hands as I hoped given my proficiency with the full size. It isn't nearly as comfortable to shoot as I hoped, in fact, I have smaller and lighter guns that seem to absorb recoil better (my S&W M&P40c is more comfortable, and more accurate, for me to shoot, and my little 9mm SIG P290RS is almost as comfortable to shoot). I hate the trigger. Not the trigger pull, but the trigger slap. The first time I shot it (150 rounds) it actually rubbed the skin off my finger, since then it has been a little better each time I shoot it, but it is still uncomfortable. There is also the fact that I always wanted a PCR, but at the time I bought it, there were no PCRs to be had so I settled on the P01 hoping it would grow on me enough that I wouldn't care. Well, that may be a big part of never really warming to my P01.
 
To make it more readable, let me split this into two...

So, some possible solutions that I'm considering:

  • Send it off to Cajun Gun Works for aftermarket work or a new trigger to solve the trigger slap. Unfortunately, that is expensive and I don't know if I want to do that for a gun I don't otherwise love.
  • Get a steel framed CZ 75 Compact. Being heavier the recoil may be better and more what I expected from this gun. That may also bring the accuracy from good to more like what I expected. The weight shouldn't be an issue for carry since I do fine with my 34-35oz Officer sized RIA 1911.
  • Trade the P01 on the PCR I really wanted. Maybe I'm magnifying the little issues in my mind since it isn't quite the gun I wanted (and have wanted on my top 10 list for 15 years) in the first place. Even if the PCR has the same issues, I'd probably be more willing to overlook them (other than the trigger slap, it isn't like they are huge problems- and if it is a gun I like more I may be more willing to spend the $$$ to solve the trigger slap issue).
  • Keep shooting the P01. The more I use it, the less the trigger slap seems to bother me. I don't know if I'm changing something in my grip or finger placement, or if I'm just getting used to it, but it isn't as pronounced with each range trip. The other "issues" may go away with more use. It wouldn't be the first time I didn't love a gun at first but came to like it a lot more with use, though my early impressions do usually stick.
  • Give up on the P01 and similar and either go with my full-size 75B (or get a 75BD) for carry, or get a polymer P07.
  • Give up on a carry CZ (and just continue to love shooting my 75B at the range, and maybe buy more full size range guns) and go with something else in this size range for carry. I do love the SIG P229 and would love another in .40S&W to replace the one I sold years ago. The Glock 23 or 19 are also great options in this size range and as a gun person I probably should have at least one Glock. I really love my M&P40c so maybe a full size or the new M2.0 Compact would make sense as well.
 
The dilemma us gun owners often have LOL.

Sounds to me like you REALLY want a PCR. IMO, if you are like me, that won't go away until you own one at some point though I personally don't think there would be much difference between shooting them though the PCR may have a less curved trigger I think.

Also sounds like it would be a good idea to try out some of the others you are considering like the Glock 19 and the CZ P07. Should be easy enough to find a Glock 19 to try but not sure about the P07. I tried the Gen 5 Glock 19 and really liked it and the only reason I did not buy one yet is because I have a Gen 2 Glock 19 that I already CCW fairly often. I also really liked shooting the CZ P07 but settled on the HK P30SK LEM as my hammer fired CCW pistol which I adore. HK recently came out with the 13 round magazine for the P30SK/VP9SK and for me that is perfect for CCW.

Anyhow good luck.
 
I have a p07 that I carry for plainclothes duty every day. I cannot say enough good about the gun. Trigger is OK out of the box, good with about 60 bucks at CGW. Accurate, easy to shoot accurately, and has yet to have a failure. Can't say enough good about it.

The p01 is what I really wanted but I cheaped out.
 
I have a p07 that I carry for plainclothes duty every day. I cannot say enough good about the gun. Trigger is OK out of the box, good with about 60 bucks at CGW. Accurate, easy to shoot accurately, and has yet to have a failure. Can't say enough good about it.

I'm not sure when they changed the design of the trigger, but it seems that trigger slap is a common issue with CZs these days. Do you have any issues with it on the P07? From the pictures it looks like the P07's trigger is flatter than the trigger on the P01, PCR and other 75B based pistols.
 
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The P-01 trigger is wearing in - mine had thousands of round through it when I was accused of having a trigger job done. Nope, just the traditional CZ trigger wear in. If it doesn't "sit right" with you, it might never do so. The PCR is one of the best CCW pistols ever made, IMHO, and you can't go wrong. Now, you said you love your CZ-75B, which is a traditional safety metal frame pistol. if that's what you like, then the steel framed Compact might be the match made in heaven. My very first CZ was a Compact, (also sold for bills during a very regrettable time in life, and bitterly missed), and it was laser straight accurate and reliable as sunrise. You seem to be a traditional pistol kind of guy, and that might fit your bill perfectly. I have owned all three and of the three, MY personal choice, which means literally nothing, would be the PCR.
Sending it to Cajun Gun Works might be a little expensive and takes a while, but the final result is MORE than worth it - I recommend them HIGHLY.
 
OP is your P01 the omega model? If it is not an omega the trigger will be a bit different than the P07. I have so issues with trigger slap.
 
5whiskey, mine is the standard. From what I read, at some point they put more curve to the trigger than they used to have. It definitely is more curved than my 1999 build 75B. It seems from reading online that this causes some others the same issue. It doesn't seem to be consistent though, even among people with the same vintage gun. I've seen people online complain about one of their CZs giving them trigger slap while others with the same trigger design don't. That's one of the reasons I'm hoping simply switching to the Compact or the PCR might be enough to do it for me without having to spend the money on CGW (I read nothing but good things about Cajun Gun Works, but they sure aren't anywhere near inexpensive).

armoredman, I can see why you might think from my post that I'm a more traditional firearms type of guy. I do like metal over polymer (though I have several polymer guns). I do have 2 1911s in my carry guns (the all steel Officer sized RIA, and the 1st gen S&W 1911SC). However, many guns I bought to be carry guns are polymer (I used to carry a P250 Compact, I have a M&P40c, a SIG P290RS, and I have, but don't like or carry a Kel Tec Pf-9 and Ruger LCP). While I have moved back to carrying guns with a safety so I can carry a 1911 or CZ (when how well I shoot a gun moved back to my #1 criteria), I otherwise prefer a DA first shot (whether DA/SA or DAO) for a CCW or home defense gun. Hence why in theory the PCR or P01 should be a pretty much ideal carry gun for me. Just because I've always wanted it, and settling usually doesn't work out well, I'll probably eventually trade it on the PCR (and if it has the same issues, I'll probably be more willing to spend the $$ to have CJW put in an old style trigger or even do the whole "Pro Package"), though I'll probably also end up with an all steel 75 Compact.
 
The P-01 trigger is wearing in...

Oh, forgot this part. Are you referring to the fact that I'm not noticing the trigger slap as much as I used to? I know many guns get smoother with use, and CZ triggers definitely do this. However, the trigger slap issue is something different than a gritty trigger. If the trigger slap goes away, I can see me having both the P01 and a PCR in the future (that was what I figured I'd probably eventually do when I settled for the P01 when there had been no PCRs around for months).
 
In my experience the trigger on a PCR, Compact and P01 will all have a chance of trigger slap. IMHO they all do it some just do it more than others. It is like the stacking of the CZ trigger design. They all do it. Some just do it more. Switching from the P01 to the PCR will not guarantee that you will not get slapped.

Now getting CGW to work on your gun installing a different trigger and doing their magic will greatly improve the trigger which will help our accuracy but I do not believe that the PCR or 75B Compact will inherently be more accurate than the P01. The extra weight of the steel compact will not make that much difference IMHO.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Clearly you want a PCR and you want people to confirm your desire for that pistol. I personally think if you want the PCR get the PCR. I would not sink $500+ into CGW customization if you are not in love with the a P01. Take that money get a PCR and then shoot it and eventually get the work done on the PCR because it seems like that is the gun you really want. Maybe even sell the P01 to finance the compete package on the PCR.

Good luck
 
Maybe even sell the P01 to finance the compete package on the PCR.

I'm definitely thinking about going that way. On the one hand, if I buy a PCR without sending it in I might get one that doesn't hurt my trigger finger, but if I have the trigger slap issue with that I'll have the option to send it in. If it isn't an issue, I'll save a lot of money if I don't have to send it to CGW. On the other hand, if I sell the P01 I can buy the complete gun with the work already done (the Pro Package) direct from CGW. Even with the FFL transfer, it would be about $150 less than buying the gun separately and sending it in for the work. I won't have the opportunity to save money and see if it might not hurt my trigger finger, though, the complete Pro Package from CGW really takes the entire gun up several notches and would be more than worth it (just under new SIG P229 prices for a semi-custom gun).

For right now, I'm keeping the P01 and continuing the shoot it (I'm probably going to shoot 150-200 rounds today). Who knows, maybe I'll decide I like it enough that I don't want to trade it (though I'm sure I'll still eventually get the PCR). In the meantime, I can get more familiar with it and develop a more informed opinion.

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I've always taken it to the range along with 2-3 other pistols. Sharing range time that much, and sometimes not breaking it out until I've already shot 100-200 rounds in other guns (sometimes including snub revolvers), probably has contributed to my lukewarm feelings towards this gun. Often I don't even start shooting it until I'm already getting a little fatigued. Today, I think I'm only going to go with the P01 and one of my 1911s (the RIA compact/Officer size) and I'm going to start with the P01 and see if that helps.
 
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My newest carry piece is a third gen S&W Model 915 (aluminum frame, basic SA/DA). It sounds like the size/weight the OP is looking for. The factory mags are 15 rounds, but I picked up a 17 round Mecgar yesterday at the gun show. The pistol was $245 from CDI Sales and had barely been shot. The OP could maybe keep the CZ and still afford a Model 915.
 
I've owned a few P-01s and did CGW parts in 2 of them. I like them, and then sold them. CZs have developed a strong following, which I think is deserved as long as it doesn't enter cult status. It's almost as if there's something wrong with you if you don't like CZs. I would be in the camp of saying if you don't like the P-01 I'm not sure the PCR will be dramatically different.

I'd even suggest just buying from CGW a different shaped trigger and trying that to see if it helps. It saves you the hundreds of dollars for a complete trigger job, and if you do decide to put more in it the parts won't go to waste. There are videos out there walking you through it and frankly it's not that hard. As long as you have a good starter punch, a good set of pin punches, and buy the slave pins from CGW it can be done. If you do mess up, then you can always sent it to David and have it done anyway (by the way David used to be fine with walking people through problems on the phone too). Just a thought.
 
I've owned a few P-01s and did CGW parts in 2 of them. I like them, and then sold them. CZs have developed a strong following, which I think is deserved as long as it doesn't enter cult status. It's almost as if there's something wrong with you if you don't like CZs. I would be in the camp of saying if you don't like the P-01 I'm not sure the PCR will be dramatically different.

I'd even suggest just buying from CGW a different shaped trigger and trying that to see if it helps. It saves you the hundreds of dollars for a complete trigger job, and if you do decide to put more in it the parts won't go to waste. There are videos out there walking you through it and frankly it's not that hard. As long as you have a good starter punch, a good set of pin punches, and buy the slave pins from CGW it can be done. If you do mess up, then you can always sent it to David and have it done anyway (by the way David used to be fine with walking people through problems on the phone too). Just a thought.
The cult status comes from 2 sources IMHO. First is Col. Copper who spoke positively about the CZ 75. Some people claim it was his favor 9mm auto. The second is the competition world which loves to take the base 75B platform and trick it out. You can get a base gun the right parts and make a gun that cost you under $1500 that will run toe to toe with anything on the market if you can do your part.

I personally wish we could go back to the days of $350 NIB 75Bs because no one knew what they were. LOL
 
I personally wish we could go back to the days of $350 NIB 75Bs because no one knew what they were

I got my CZ 75B for $399 and my CZ 40B (never should have sold it) for $299, and back then, MD prices were a little higher than most of what people were quoting on TFL. Back then, I remember waiting on the last PCR I saw for about 2 years because it seemed a little pricey at $450. I also waited on a nickel 75B and a nickel 83 that I should have bought not realizing that CZ would discontinue nickel guns, and the 83 altogether, just a few years later.
 
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