Just finished Steven Hunter's "Hot Springs".

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I just finished reading Steven Hunter's newest novel, "Hot Springs". I bought it about 3 weeks ago, but did not start it until late last week because I knew I wouldn't be able to put it down, and I was right. Hunter has yet to disappoint me. It is so refreshing to read a novel where the guns and gun handling are correctly described. This book is terrific and I would highly recommend it. Although, I would suggest that "Point of Impact" and "Black Light" be read first.

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If your looking to government for the solution, you obviously don't understand the problem.
 
Is it about Bob Lee Swagger?
Is it paper or hardcover?
I thought I had read all of Hunter's books except Tapestry of Spies and The Second Saladin.

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"Potius sero quam nunquam."
 
Hunter has done it again. I read the book in about three days. Anyone notice that some characters keep reappearing? Read the Second Saladin to see the just deserts that Frenchy Short gets.
 
Yep, just finished it the other day. Hunter is doing a good job of building a background and family history for Bob Lee. Interesting depiction of the social/gang-related circumstances in Hot Springs during the time before the mob moved into Nevada, too.

.45's, Thompsons, BAR's and Maxim guns...whew!

I've missed Tapestry and Saladin somehow...gotta look them up.

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If they take our guns, I intend to let my hair grow long and acquire the jawbone of an ass.
 
I think the scene where Earl gets the best of Bugsy Siegel was classic. Love to see that on screen.
Anyone know what the book "Target" is about? I saw it listed in the books Hunter wrote inside the book. Never heard of it.
 
I believe "Target" was a movie that Hunter wrote the screenplay for. I have seen the movie but can't remember much about it. Gene Hackman may have been in it.
 
I hadn't heard of this one, and I was trying to take a sabbatical from novels, but...

Just a thought - Seeing that Hunter has the family tree growing, I wonder if we are seeing another 'Sackett' family in the works. If so, it won't bother me at all.

Long live Louis L'Amour!
 
If you are checking used book stores for old Hunter books, be advised that "Tapestry of Spies" was originally titled "The Spanish Gambit". Don't know why it was changed.He hasn't written a bad book yet, but he also hasn't written one better than "Point of Impact". Doubt if anyone could. A GREAT book!
The closest fictional thing to Carlos Hathcock's life there is.

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Fed168: AAhhhhhhh....jeez, you're on the money! ...and thanks. I read that one quite some time ago (who knows how many other books I've read since the Second Saladin) and honestly, would place it near the bottom of the Stephen Hunter list. Still a good read, but can't compare with some of his others. Page 69 - reference to Frenchy Short. I had to find the book and leaf through it to find it. Hunter is a sneaky sucker isn't he? I like that about him!
EricO
 
I met Mr. Hunter a few weeks ago when he was on the bookstore tour promoting "Hot Springs". He gave a couple of readings from the new book, including the scene with Swagger and Bugsy Siegal. For those who have't read it, this is a profanity laced episode, which Mr. Hunter read aloud with considerable gusto and a lot of enjoyment.
Hunter was very cordial, and was answered a lot of questions. He said that he hoped Tommy Lee Jones would portray Bob in the movie.

By the way, he is also a movie reviewer for the Washington Post, and you can access them, including archives, on WashingtonPost.com.
 
David Morrell is no stranger to violent fiction (for instance, he authored the original First Blood, considerably stronger than the movies loosely based on it) and here he reviews Poodle Springs.
Jeff
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40854-2000Aug5.html

Soaking Up Trouble
By David Morrell
Sunday, August 6, 2000; Page X04
HOT SPRINGS
By Stephen Hunter
Simon & Schuster. 478 pp. $25
There's a town in Arkansas called Hot Springs where, for hundreds of years, people needing a tonic went to soak in the 141-degree mineral waters. Set against a picturesque mountain and lake, this American Eden was corrupted when mobsters moved in during World War II. They bribed local law enforcement, introduced casinos and brothels and were so successful that by 1946 the main street was a mile-long glittering array of temptation and hustle. Entertainers as big as Bing Crosby and Perry Como filled showrooms there. Movie stars flocked to party there. Mickey Rooney says that he enjoyed the barbecue.
If this sounds a lot like the early years of Las Vegas, it's not surprising, for "Bugsy" Siegel studied the Hot Springs operation and used it as a model for the gambling oasis that he envisioned in the Nevada desert. That background alone would provide a fascinating basis for a novel. But history supplied even more interesting events. After the war, returning GIs were dismayed to discover what had happened to Hot Springs while they'd been gone. Led by a prosecuting attorney, they organized a veterans' revolt, fought a different kind of war, and ran the mobsters out of town.
That domestic combat is at the heart of Stephen Hunter's new thriller, Hot Springs, a thoroughly engaging action drama that gets the reader's heart racing and adrenalin flowing. The hero is Earl Swagger, a Congressional Medal of Honor recipient just back from fighting in the jungles of the South Pacific. Combat has so deadened his soul that he contemplates suicide, but when an Arkansas prosecutor hires him to clean up Hot Springs, Earl finds a goal to keep him moving, partly because his murdered father had dark secrets about Hot Springs and Earl needs desperately to come to terms with his nightmarish memories of his dad.
Earl trains a group of shock troops. As they systematically raid the casinos, the mobsters cleverly and ruthlessly fight back. After an intensifying series of gunfights, Earl is the only man left, forced to set out on a one-man mission of retribution. In a climactic hunter-hunted confrontation (for a thriller writer, the novelist has an enviable name), Earl comes to terms with his private demons.
Several factors make Hot Springs noteworthy. First, it has a distinctive tone, "part Elizabethan border reiver's, part hillbilly's," that results in such colorful dialogue as "If anything ever happens to that good doctor in there, it's you I'll come visit in the night. And Willis Beaudine, don't think you can run and hide. Many a man has thought that and they are now sucking bitter grass from the root end."
Second, the novel establishes the atmosphere of 1946 Hot Springs so palpably that the reader has the illusion of being there. Third, the novel doesn't flinch from its violent subject matter. Rather than comment on the action with politically correct disapproval, Hunter reaches stylistic glory when he describes firearms and the way to handle them. After his lengthy analysis of the intricacies of the Colt .45 semiautomatic pistol, the Browning automatic rifle and the Thompson submachine gun, the weapons seem like the "fabulous old beauties" he likes to call them. "The gun emptied in one spasm, the sound lost in the roar of the plane. He could sense the empties tumbling, feel the liquid, almost hydraulic pressure of the recoil without a sense of the individual shots as it drove into his shoulder, but most of all he could see the tracers flicking out and extending his touch until he was an angry God destroying the world from afar."
In a way, Hot Springs should have been published around Father's Day, for it represents the kind of first-rate, straight-up action novel that traditionally used to be available for male readers at the start of the summer but that a recent lamentable genteel trend in publishing has made rare then or any other time. This is the adult male equivalent of going to a Saturday afternoon matinee--not surprising, given that Hunter is a respected film critic for The Washington Post. Hot Springs, fans should note, is a prequel to Point of Impact and other Hunter thrillers featuring Earl Swagger's son, Bobby Lee, a former Marine sniper.
David Morrell is the author of 19 thrillers, including "First Blood" and, most recently, "Burnt Sienna."
 
I too have helped Mr. Hunter gain financial independance. :)

Anybody notice that "Henderson" is the same guy in Dirty White Boys?

Other links? (Frenchy obviously) Thoughts?

Giz
 
Oh you guys are so d*** bad!
I went to the library yesterday evening after reading these posts and started Second Saladin. I'm still bleary eyed. Hard to put down.
Thanks for tuning me on to this guy. His stuff is great!

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Have read 2-3 of his books, Black light,white boys, and maybe another its been a few years.

Can anyone tell me the best order to read his books in. Like all the ones about the father then son and maybe the sniper, I know they intermixe but what would be the best order IYO.
 
For those who enjoyed reading about Bob the Nailer Swagger, I recommend "White Star" by James Thayer, another sniper shootout story. It's a bit old, but I think it's still available in paperback.
 
I preface my remarks by saying I am one of Stephen Hunter's bigger fans. I thought I had ALL his fiction books, but I too am bothered by not having seen the bookTARGET. Also, gotta find theViolent Screen thing.

First one I read was Master Sniper. I was really bothered by his premise that the 7.92 Kurz in the MP43/StG44 (or have I got that backward?) was a fitting 400 meter+ sniper round. There were a couple of other minor things, but this the worst. Good story though, and I managed to put aside the rifle thing and enjoy it. I was greatly gratified a few years later when I read Point of Impact, in which Hunter had obviously gotten some good technical advice on long range shooting. Still not too sure on one or two details, but I put that down to MY ignorance.

I'm over halfway through Hot Springs and am really into it. Anyone else note a couple of minor details that I did?

--About the BAR: "It fires big .30 government cartridges at about twenty-three hundred feet per second . . . . " Weren't the military .30-06 150 FMJ doing about 2800, and the 180s something like 2700 fps? (P. 96.)

--The WW-II Quonset huts (or Nissan? I'm not sure of the difference)that I have seen were made of corrugated iron or steel, not aluminum. (P. 113.)

--Earl removes a Thompson buttstock, "unscrewing the stock bolt as he spoke." The Model 1928 buttstock is held on by a heavy spring clip, and is removed by depressing a button just above the rear of the frame. (P. 196.)

Yes, I am nitpicking, forcing myself to take a break from the book, just to make it last longer. And yes, I know: "Them as can, write. Them as can't, criticize."

Best,
RR

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Stephen Hunters work is excellent! The man can write about guns. I couldn't put it down and read it in a 24 hrs. If you haven't read them all, make sure you read them in the right order. 1st "Point of Impact", 2nd "Dirty White Boys" and then "Black Light". These three were meant as a trilogy.

Then "Time to Hunt" (a sequal to Point of Impact), and the new "Hot Springs" (sort of a prequal to Black Light).

An earlier book "The Day before Midnight" (I think that's the title) is also very good military thriller. The Master Sniper is okay too.
 
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