Just back from the Million Mom March. . .

Jarhead_22

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My two shooting partners (and former active duty Marines) and I just returned from the counter-demonstration in downtown Dallas. Actually, there were only about 30 or so women of childbearing age, but the kids (it's for the children, after all) and emasculated men made up a grand total of about 60, falling a touch short of the Million advertised. There were about 15 of us fighting the good fight, made up mostly of NRA and TSRA (Texas State Rifle Association) members. There were a few signs, like "Guns cause murder like a spoon made Rosie O'Donut fat," and "What Would Jesus Do? Carry!"
They had the one attractive woman in the bunch as the main speaker, introducing the Reverend, the Mother of a Victim, and an Assistant Chief of the Dallas PD up there on the dais with them. The victim's mom gave a speech about how smart and wonderful her son was, but not a lot of details about how he got shot. The Dallas Assistant Chief talked mostly about Project Exile and prosecuting criminals, so he was up there walking a tightrope. The reverend talked about investigating the connections between handgun violence and the military, which confused me no end.

The folks that were out there with me rebutted the more ridiculous statements by the Thirty Misguided Mommies, and I was called an "a$$hole" by one of the mommmies who was standing next to her daughter. I asked her if she usually used that language around her children, but didn't get a response. The next time I had something to say, she walked over and said someting to the two Dallas PD officers standing at the back of the crowd, but came back alone with no result. I remarked to her that she obviously didn't have any more respect for the First Amendment than she did for the Second, but again got no response.

At one point a lady tried to get us to be quiet or go away by telling us it was a memorial, and that we should show more respect. I told her that she was trying to use emotion to overcome common sense for a political end, but it didn't dent the armor of altruism in which she had wrapped herself.

They ended the event with a couple of songs, including "This Little Light of Mine," and I really wished I had my Benelli with the Sure Fire front end to show them what This Little Light of Mine could really do.

I went back to where the DPD officers were standing and asked if the mommy was trying to have me shut up. They told me that they told her to move up to the front if she didn't want to hear me, that I had as much right as they (the mommies) did to speak. I thanked them and asked if the Chief represented the DPD. They smiled and one kind of looked away and shook his head. I wished them a good night and went back to the fun.

While some of the mommies were cleaning up, I had a polite discussion with one of them and we agreed that people should be responsible for their firearms, and that there should be a firing pin interlock so that pistols wouldn't fire when dropped. But when she told me I was paranoid and that it was sad that I felt I needed a gun, I asked if she had a sign in front of her house stating that it contained no guns. She said no. I then told her that if that was the case, her family's safety benefitted from the fact that I owned a gun by the simple reason that a criminal had to weigh the odds of her having a gun simply by virtue that he knows SOMEONE does. I also told her that I had nothing to be paranoid about, since I have a firearm, training in its use and confidence in myself. Oh, it's worth noting that this lady had a HEAVY British accent. She told me numerous times that violent crime in England had not risen since guns were confiscated there, so I was obviously having a battle of wits with the unarmed.

By the way, I found out about this protest when I joined the TSRA at the Market Hall gunshow this weekend. I also got a great IWB Kydex holster for my Kimber and a 1200 round case of 55gr South African .223. All in all, it was a great Second Amendment day. Oh, I also found out that Albertson's, the grocery store I shopped in until now, is a sponsor of the Million Misguided Mommies. I will be speaking to the store manager and writing a strong letter to corporate tomorrow, and shopping at the Super Wally World from now on.

Jarhead out.

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"Oh, my countrymen! What will our children say, when they read the history of these times? Should they find we tamely gave away without one noble struggle, the most invaluable of earthly blessings? As they drag the galling chain, will they not execrate us? If we have any respect for things sacred; any regard to the dearest treasures on earth; if we have one tender sentiment for posterity; if we would not be despised by the whole world - let us in the most open, solemn manner, and with determined fortitude, swear we will die, if we cannot live free men!”
--Josiah Quincy, Jr., 1788 published in the Boston Gazette
 
Good on ya Jarhead.

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
Thanks for your kind words. Here is the text of the letter I sent to Albertsons yesterday.

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October 2, 2000


Albertsons General Office
250 Park Center Blvd.
Boise, ID 83706
ATTN: Customer Service


Ladies and Gentlemen:

I live less than a mile from your store in Murphy, Texas, and my wife and I have shopped there since we bought our house in February of this year. We have been very happy with the quality of goods available, the customer service we have received and the value for our dollars spent. It therefore brings me no pleasure to inform you that I will no longer patronize this or any other Albertsons store, and will urge my friends and family to do the same.

Last night in downtown Dallas I attended a Million Mom March gathering to voice my disagreement with their policies and agenda. This organization and its members are using emotion to overcome common sense for political gain. They would see the law abiding penalized for the actions of law breakers. Behind the dais was a poster listing the sponsors of this misguided organization, and your corporation’s name was prominently displayed. I do not view my Second Amendment rights to be up for debate, especially by the uninformed, and will not support the businesses of those who do. I vote with my dollars, and will no longer be voting for Albertsons.

Thank you for your time.


Sincerely,


****** *. *****
Murphy TX 75094


Cc: Manager, Murphy Texas Albertsons
 
Good job Jarhead. I intended on going, but the little one got sick and I had to keep him home. Saw it on the news, Channel 8 WFAA. I was glad to see that there were people there to protest those mothers. Like I said, I really wanted to be there, but with a sick child I couldn't. Next time, hopefully.

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chadintex@hotmail.com
 
So, Darthmaum and I WEREN'T the only TFLers there! Woohoo!! I can't put a face to the screen name, Jarhead, but you should remember me. I was the one wearing the "Got Ammo?" t-shirt, and Darthmaum had on her "Celebrate Diversity- Collect Your Multinational Arsenal".

I don't really want to get into detail about my experience there that night. I remember hearing someone stating something about "it's sad you feel you need a gun"- I guess that was you, huh? I thought it pretty laughable that the british (deliberately non-capitalized. NYEH! ;) ) bliss-ninny said to Darth and I "I want to encourage you to take care of your children", as though somehow we hadn't been up to that point, and then when she found out we have guns in the house and our 7yo is learning to shoot "I can't believe that! She is going to get them and blow her head off, or hurt one of you!" We kept trying to tell her there was nothing to fear, as our girl is allowed to handle our guns pretty much whenever she wants (thereby eliminating the desire to sneak and mess with them, as they have lost the mystique), and we supervise her, and she can be trusted to obey us. The bliss-ninny would hear none of it, and just endlessly repeated "I can't believe [fill in the blank]!" or just walking away. This was one of her favorite tactics, BTW- she would speak her piece, then walk away without giving any of us protesters a chance to retort. She called several of us closedminded, but I could not tell that she was particularly open to our side, either.

At the end, we spent quite a while talking with one of the men who had shown up for the MMM rally. I ended our discussion by inviting him to come here, as he stated he generally prefers non-governmental solutions to society's woes, and would like to see gun-control become a non-issue, by advancement of responsible gun ownership, if possible.

As for the show, I did pick up a couple of nifty new things, as well. For myself, a Mosin-Nagant Model 1944 (with bayonet) in 7.62X54mm. For Darthmaum, a Marlin 336 lever-action in .30-30 Win. In all, a fine 2nd Amend. weekend for me, too. Too bad I haven't had a chance yet to try out that new Nagant... :(

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Only in America we kill the unborn to make ends meet
Only in America sexuality is democracy
Only in America we stamp our god "In God We Trust"

What is right or wrong?
I don't know who to believe in
My soul sings a different song
In America
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You are unwise to lower your defenses!
-Darth Vader, to Luke Skywalker in the throne room of Death Star II

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Jedi: I was the guy with the goatee in the blue polo shirt who asked you about your Ought Six tee shirt with the UN logo behind the reticle. I checked out their website and will be ordering that one. The non-governmental-intervention guy had the looooong gray hair and beard (Father Time?) right?

FYI: Monday afternoon I heard the Dallas NPR station, KERA, give a news report on the demonstration that started, "HUNDREDS of people turned out in downtown Dallas last night to support..."

Hundreds? How about tens? I called the station but they said it's not policy to allow listeners to rebut news stories. She said it was most likely a rewrite of an AP story or from the Dallas Morning Snooze. I told her that more careful and unbiased fact checking were neccessary if they didn't want people to write them off as a blatantly biased propaganda organ of the far left. I fear that it made no dent.

Jarhead out.

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"There are no victims, only volunteers. You volunteer by looking uncertain and afraid. You volunteer by being, as grass-eaters invariably are, unprepared to confront the hazards of life."
--John Farnham
 
Hi Jarhead-way to go! You mentioned that Albertsons was a MMM sponsor-can you confirm that? There is a Albertsons in my town (Coeur d'Alene, ID) and if this is true I'd like to get the word out. This is not a great area to be anti-gun. Thanks.

Bri
 
Hello Jarhead, I was there too. I had a pink Mickey Mouse shirt on. I know it's a MMM color, but I didn't think about it when I put it on. :(
Anyway, I noticed this English lady liked to touch people a lot. She infact grabbed someone face, and pulled a couple of people's shirts.
Also, it was interesting how she said that we were "closed minded"? Well, was it them or us that kept walking away when the discussion didn't suit them?
CW

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Amendment II (1791)
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

So many politicians......so little ammunition!!!
 
Christina: Yes, I remember you. When you first walked up in the pink shirt, I thought, "Oh, here it comes, she's gonna rip into us." We shook hands as my buddies and I were leaving.

That british lady kept grabbing my arm when she wanted to make a point, then walking away when I tried to respond. She also had a real problem with interrupting people. My mom always told me that was rude.

Brianidaho: Yes, Albertsons the supermarket chain is anti-gun. They contribute to the Million Misguided Mommies, and the mommies had a poster at the event thanking them, as well as Southwest Airlines a few others. The address I got off the Albertsons web site listed their corporate office as being in Boise ID, so I guess they are right there in your backyard.

Jarhead out.

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"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it."
--John Hay, 1872


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Thanks for the confirmation Jarhead, I'll be getting the word out on Albertson's. Will start close to home, make sure the wife doesn't shop there, and get word out at work and the local gun clubs and sporting goods stores. Payback time!!

Bri

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We only had 15 in TEXAS,yeesh.
Sorry I dont mean to complain but Im surprised their werent more.Is this the same rally that was at the school.
Their were quite a few more of these expreiences under newspieces at www.trteam.com.
What website is that about the UN logo in the sights.Im with JBS www.jbs.org
and they are very very anti-UN most of their lobbying efforts focus on getting us out of the UN.
I also think its terrible how the police feel they have to carry guns,their must feel awful lonely in some area's where their the only ones that do.
The closest rally to me so far has been 7 hours away.
Congratulations!!! to all of you.
And I hope we hear from Bluesman soon I miss being legally and politically annoying
not to mention I never got to post my formal apology to Christina.

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Only in America, we're slaves to be free
Only in America we kill the unborn to make ends meet
Only in America sexuality is democracy
Only in America we stamp our god "In God We Trust"

What is right or wrong?
I don't know who to believe in
My soul sings a different song
In America
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Jedi Oomodo and Darthmaum's Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy
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If it isna Scottish, it's CRAP!

You are unwise to lower your defenses!
-Darth Vader, to Luke Skywalker in the throne room of Death Star II

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ruger45:
We only had 15 in TEXAS,yeesh.
Sorry I dont mean to complain but Im surprised their werent more.Is this the same rally that was at the school.
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The MMM is run by a slick, New York public relations expert from cbs news, one of sHrillary's buddies. They purposely did not announce anything about this rally until just the Friday before the deal, which took place on Sunday at the Kennedy Memorial downtown, not at a school. Like I said in my original post, I found out about it from the TSRA rep at the Market Hall gunshow that day.

There were two TV camera crews there, but no print journalists. There was no mention of the event in the Dallas Morning Snooze Monday or Tuesday. If they didn't tell the paper, which is pretty liberal, they kept their cards damned close to the chest on this one. I think they just don't want to give us a chance to organize effective counterdemonstrations.

You say 15 is pretty disappointing? Well, it was their show and they only got 45 or 50 people out there.

Jarhead out.

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"Sure I am this day we are masters of our fate, that the task which has been set before us is not above our strength; that its pangs and toils are not beyond our endurance. As long as we have faith in our own cause and an unconquerable will to win, victory will not be denied us."
--Winston Churchill
 
"I called the station but they said it's not policy to allow listeners to rebut news stories." PRICELESS! They must be relatives of the college broad that refused a class on Political Correctness because "We don't allow classes that say we suppress the First Amendment!" (or words to that effect.)

"She said it was most likely a rewrite of an AP story or from the Dallas Morning Snooze." Ah, nothing like getting your information from those two fonts of journalistic integrity!

"The MMM is run by a slick, New York public relations expert from cbs news, one of sHrillary's buddies. They purposely did not announce anything about this rally until just the Friday before the deal, which took place on Sunday . . ."
This tactic will be used again and again, so I think it would be a good idea of you guys, and others in their area, swap phone numbers in preparation. A local phone bank, if you will. We're more apt to catch a phone message than an email, especially on short notice. I am in Nevada and am no help to you folks in Texas. However, I am 80 miles away from Las Vegas and am willing to show up most anywhere in that area if the ninnies show up.


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Howdy Folks,
This is my first post to this site. I want to thank you all for the information I have received by visiting this forum.
Having just heard about Alberstons supporting the MMM I decided to write to their corporate office. This is the first letter I have composed to support our cause. I believe it wont be my last. I have not sent it yet, but I would ask for any feedback, on facts, grammer or whatever, before I send it. Thanks in advance.

PS This is just the body of the letter, and I will add all the flowers later. Thank you.

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I would like to take the time in thanking you for making my selection of stores I shop in much easier. With such an offering of stores available, we have the ability to pick and choose our place of business based on factors such as product, location, price and last but not least corporate policy.

I have been a patron of your stores for a number of years. It has come to my attention that your organization supports and contributes to a miss-guided cause that substitutes fact and discussion with fear and emotion for political gain.

The group I am referring to is the Million Mom March, and their ultimate political agenda of subverting our Constitutional Right to Keep and Bear Arms. This organization serves as a political railroad that cares not for fact and study, but to miss-represent facts and figures for the sole purpose of filling their boxcars (and wallets) with tearful miss-guided moms. I fear they are unaware of the consequences of their ultimate destination.

Aiming ultimately to deny citizens, including their constituents, the ability to defend themselves and make their own responsible choices, this unfortunate organization poses a danger to us all. Perhaps what saddens me the most is their (and by association, Your) lack of support for our Constitution.

Little did I know that in purchasing merchandise from your stores, I was contributing to the destruction of a way of life that I hold dear. You may think this dramatic, but when you realize that your organization has our Rights to thank for its continued existence, you will rethink your corporate policy.

The stake we all share in preserving our unique government is immense. Fooling yourselves into thinking there is no eventual connection between this seemingly do-good organization and a reduction in our Bill of Rights is self-defeating. Supporting an organization that cares little for the people they claim to represent is inexcusable. Their use of uninformed and miss-guided constituents for political gain is tragic.

For these reasons, I will no longer support your business. I will also use the same determination I feel is necessary to preserve my rights to inform others of your unfortunate policy.

Thank you for your time.


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